CBreezy

Wow you think the company would pay protect you and expect nothing in return?

JamesBond

You are really something. You need to learn what a real union is like, because you clearly have no clue.

Gone Flying

do you honestly think the company would give a blank check to anyone flying a WB turning 65 or anyone displaced for any reason to bid any category at DL *pay protected* and not ask for anything in return? I think this is as much of a fantasy as the pension returning. If that’s the case why not displace all the way back to 73NB and bid LCA trips.

if 67 happens and ICAO does not follow suit the company will not have to pay you for trips you cannot fly. They have contractual precedent on this. If you want to keep flying because you want the money NB A pays more than LTD and senior NB As who work the system probably make more than most WB As. If you want to bid back to NB A because you want to keep flying, the payrate won’t stop you from doing it. If you don’t want to fly anymore the pay protection won’t stop you from leaving.

What incentive does the company have to do what you propose?

Buck Rogers

Hmmm.....I thought that was what a Training Bypass did. Am I misunderstanding that?

CBreezy

I know what a real union is like. I also know that the company will either refuse to pay protect you outright and drag their feet indefinitely while using precedent to not pay you at all or they will demand a steep price from the rest of us. That's what negotiating is. That's what a union/company relationship is

CBreezy

There's a difference bypassing a select few pilots within a year of retirement in order to not waste resources training them and pay protecting every WB pilot the day they hit 65

Vsop

To me this all seems familiar. I remember a lot of 60 year olds bidding to FE where they were already allowed to be 65. They waited for the 65 language to take effect and then bid back to Captain. I’m sure it sucked taking the pay cut, but when I commuted on a FedEx flight the 62 year old FE thought he was playing the system for a win.

To me bidding to NB A and waiting for FAA and ICAO to hash it out is pretty similar.

That’s a lot of training churn and an annoying pay cut, so it’s far from perfect or even fair. However, I don’t see ALPA trying real hard to solve the company’s training problem. Nor do I see the company trying real hard to solve the WB 65-67 year old’s problems. So it’s probably what will happen

JamesBond

That's really weak.

Gone Flying

Yes, as a training bypass only happens if the company opts not to send you to training for a position you bid. A 350 A would certainly need training of some kind to fly a 737 again, no?

I would not open that can of worms. Imagine if they decide to “bypass” a 64.9 year old WB A who bid NB A. Now he is stuck in a category he can’t fly in and was bypassed for the junior category. This is the kind of shenanigans I am expecting the company to try and pull should 67 pass.

Gone Flying

when delta had FEs and a 59 year old pilot turned 60 and decided to bid back to FE rather than retire, were they pay protected to L1011 CA pay?