Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
12-05-2023, 06:46 PM
#6071
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
that was me, not breezy, and my point was I’m not willing to give anything up so pilots can get paid at a rate for a plane they can’t fly. if you want to fly a 320 or a 737 you can do so at those rates.
BTW, Most UNAs were pay protected to the contractual rate. Some were left on training pay. But none got pay protection to their pre displacement payrate.
BTW, Most UNAs were pay protected to the contractual rate. Some were left on training pay. But none got pay protection to their pre displacement payrate.
12-05-2023, 06:47 PM
#6072
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,681
why should you get A350 pay to fly a 737 when others dont? That sounds a lot more like a union of 1 than me saying you should get paid what you fly.
what about the 64 year old 73NA who stayed senior and never flew fly WB A, should he get a350 pay once he turns 65
what about the 64 year old 73NA who stayed senior and never flew fly WB A, should he get a350 pay once he turns 65
12-05-2023, 06:48 PM
#6073
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Position: Looking left
Posts: 3,418
Again, not the point, but all the UNAs were protected at that time.
Look, I am glad that you want to quit when you are 55 or whatever. Others don't. But what I hear from you is that because you personally won't be moved that the association should just roll over and not fight for something better for anyone up to the new limit. "73NA should be enough"
Look, I am glad that you want to quit when you are 55 or whatever. Others don't. But what I hear from you is that because you personally won't be moved that the association should just roll over and not fight for something better for anyone up to the new limit. "73NA should be enough"
Guys/Gals got displaced from their ER and 320/737 seats and got paid 717 rates....lowest paying aircraft on property.
PWA 4.D in the old contract
12-05-2023, 06:48 PM
#6074
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,609
It's not a union of 1. The company is going to make us pay dearly to pay protect you to fly a NB. I'm not willing to give anything up for it. You get 2 extra years. You can get paid the rate of the highest category of aircraft you legally can hold.
12-05-2023, 06:51 PM
#6075
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Position: 737 A
Posts: 1,070
I thought I had read a post were you were prepared to bid the ER if that was what was required.
I think that’s all that was meant by the earlier 73A comment. If the option is bid NBA, or be WBA but not be able to fly legally and thus have the status but no credit. The NBA route would seem preferable. When operating as an NBA, the pay would be NBA. This whole scenario assumes no ICAO work around.
I think that’s all that was meant by the earlier 73A comment. If the option is bid NBA, or be WBA but not be able to fly legally and thus have the status but no credit. The NBA route would seem preferable. When operating as an NBA, the pay would be NBA. This whole scenario assumes no ICAO work around.
12-05-2023, 06:51 PM
#6076
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
Because I was forced out of my seniority allowed seat due to no fault of my own. I also think anyone that gets displaced to another airplane below me should be pay protected. See how that works? A UNION would fight for that. You see it as YOUR ox being gored and those pilots being displaced as taking something out of YOUR pocket. That is simply not true. I think when DAL retrenches and displaces (And they WILL) that EVERYONE should be pay protected to the position they are currently in. Of course I have been an advocate of longevity pay for years, but alpa doesn't want to entertain that idea..... so what we have is what we have.
12-05-2023, 06:55 PM
#6077
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
I thought I had read a post were you were prepared to bid the ER if that was what was required.
I think that’s all that was meant by the earlier 73A comment. If the option is bid NBA, or be WBA but not be able to fly legally. The NBA route would seem preferable. When operating as an NBA, the pay would be NBA. This whole scenario assumes no ICAO work around.
I think that’s all that was meant by the earlier 73A comment. If the option is bid NBA, or be WBA but not be able to fly legally. The NBA route would seem preferable. When operating as an NBA, the pay would be NBA. This whole scenario assumes no ICAO work around.
Why do ya'll think I am so ****ed that alpa threw the 767 guys under the bus wrt WB pay? Hint: it isn't that I think I am destined to be going back there anytime soon.
12-05-2023, 06:56 PM
#6078
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,681
Because I was forced out of my seniority allowed seat due to no fault of my own. I also think anyone that gets displaced to another airplane below me should be pay protected. See how that works? A UNION would fight for that. You see it as YOUR ox being gored and those pilots being displaced as taking something out of YOUR pocket. That is simply not true. I think when DAL retrenches and displaces (And they WILL) that EVERYONE should be pay protected to the position they are currently in. Of course I have been an advocate of longevity pay for years, but alpa doesn't want to entertain that idea..... so what we have is what we have.
12-05-2023, 06:58 PM
#6079
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,894
Because I was forced out of my seniority allowed seat due to no fault of my own. I also think anyone that gets displaced to another airplane below me should be pay protected. See how that works? A UNION would fight for that. You see it as YOUR ox being gored and those pilots being displaced as taking something out of YOUR pocket. That is simply not true. I think when DAL retrenches and displaces (And they WILL) that EVERYONE should be pay protected to the position they are currently in. Of course I have been an advocate of longevity pay for years, but alpa doesn't want to entertain that idea..... so what we have is what we have.
12-05-2023, 06:58 PM
#6080
:-)
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,339
Because I was forced out of my seniority allowed seat due to no fault of my own. I also think anyone that gets displaced to another airplane below me should be pay protected. See how that works? A UNION would fight for that. You see it as YOUR ox being gored and those pilots being displaced as taking something out of YOUR pocket. That is simply not true. I think when DAL retrenches and displaces (And they WILL) that EVERYONE should be pay protected to the position they are currently in. Of course I have been an advocate of longevity pay for years, but alpa doesn't want to entertain that idea..... so what we have is what we have.
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