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12-05-2023, 08:36 AM

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Gone Flying

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Originally Posted by Vsop

100% and I’ll say the whole Iberian Peninsula is underrated. Great times there. It might be time to check where I’d fall on the ER in NYC

while flying does shift around, the ER currently does not fly anywhere on the Iberian peninsula from JFK. But don’t chase destinations because marketing loves to change planes.

in the JAN NYC 7ER bid package they have a few LIS overnights via BOS, but that’s it

12-05-2023, 08:39 AM

#6012

Fastpilot

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

The city is full of history and culture. And day trips abound if you want out. Holy Toledo.

Totally. It beats any domestic layover by a long shot

12-05-2023, 08:40 AM

#6013

Fastpilot

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

Yea I’m kind of surprised that JFK-LIS went to the 400. Maybe a preview of what to come in the summer

12-05-2023, 08:43 AM

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Buck Rogers

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Originally Posted by tcco94

You find different things to do. At the end of the day a lot of layovers in this industry turn into that.

And so goes life. Ask.....

Brad Pitt about Jennifer Aniston......

Tommy Lee about Pamela Anderson....

John Derrick about Bo Derek

If you're gonna be saddled with a ball and chain of a layover, do you want it to be Paris or Poughkipsee, Madrid or Monroe, London or Little Rock?

12-05-2023, 08:50 AM

#6015

crewdawg

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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

Honestly, I want a layover where I'm not tired, walking around with a low grade headache the entire time and don't wake up 0200 with a 50/50 shot of getting back to sleep quickly. I enjoyed my AMS, BCN and FCO overnights, but I much prefer to layover at casa de crewdawg. Beautiful part of this job is there is a little something for everyone.

12-05-2023, 09:16 AM

#6016

Whoopsmybad

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Originally Posted by crewdawg

This can not be understated. Sleep on international layovers can be easy for some and extremely difficult for others. I prefer not to swap that many time zones in a short time on a regular basis. Occasionally, ok. But 6-9 time zone swaps every other day or within 1 of my home, I’ll take that.

12-05-2023, 09:27 AM

#6017

FL370esq

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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

If you're gonna be saddled with a ball and chain of a layover, do you want it to be...Poughkipsee?

Pretty sure we don't layover at or near KPOU. Not even the mighty 717 could handle that gem....and you would probably take small arms fire on the way in/out. Reasonable proximity to the CIA for the foodies on the crew if we did though. 😁

12-05-2023, 12:19 PM

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JamesBond

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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

the junior folks are Nick, they are going to bid the WB A seat you can no longer hold becasue ICAO won't catch up in time with age 67 to save you. Enjoy your life on the NB A side. Or maybe you're one of those cats who is going to NBCSIC for your last 2.5 years. You konw, becasue its in the contract and all.

Ok... He's a scenario for you. 67 passes but ICAO drags their feet. What is the best financial decision for 'Nick' in this case ( Or anyone else caught up in it). Should Delta pay protect him to go back to NB (would alpa advocate for that)? Or... Should he go out on disability at WB Captain pay?

12-05-2023, 12:25 PM

#6019

tennisguru

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

I mean theoretically age 67 implementation should be delayed until ICAO raises its limit. That would prevent the gooberfest of having hundreds of WB pilots who cannot fly 90+% of their fleet's routes. If age 67 is instituded wholesale immediately without waiting on ICAO, I do not think that there should be any pay protection to fly a NB at WB rates. If you want to keep getting a paycheck then do it under the current rules of the PWA. My guess is a lot of guys will go out on medical rather than slum it around domestically, even if they're sitting on the top of the category.

12-05-2023, 12:27 PM

#6020

Gone Flying

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

0 chance delta will pay protect you to go back a seat because you cannot fly in your current seat.

it would not surprise me if there is some sort of ICAO trigger for flag airlines.

Carte Blanche 67 without ICAO and with no federal guidance would be a cluster of epic proportions. I’m sure airlines have made this clear to Congress via their lobbyists.