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Old 12-04-2023, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
They won't have to worry - they will be bidding for the WB A seats you are being forcibly vacated from.
Agreed (if ICAO doesn't follow suit). It's not the middle of the pack NB A's, much less the junior ones that need to 'worry'. It's the top 10-15% NB A's that would get dogpiled, and lose thier top couple of page status.
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Old 12-04-2023, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
An avalanche? How many 65 year olds who've been flying International ops for a decade+ are going to want to go to 737 or A320 training and go back to 2-4 leg domestic 12 hour days with 10-14 hour overnights for another 2 years? There will be some, and it will happen pretty quickly, but at the max, it'll be 400-500 a year, spread out over 7 bases and 2-3 fleets. I don't think it'll be that bad, if it does happen.
Big E, they won't have a choice in that regard. It will be fly NB or go do something else. ICAO will not catch up with age 67 by the time it passes here. So that will leave a lot of curmudgeons like Nick in limbo. They will likely have 3 options. 1 - be forced down to NB flying; 2 - Go NBCSIC; 3 - perhaps a deal is made between ALPA and the other carriers to "buy out" these guys like we did with the VEOP.

For me, I'm not going to 67. I'm retiring before 65, which is right around the corner for me. I can't see flying 121 past 65. Yuck. Much rather be fishing or something else. Oh yeah, the Super Decathalon is a lot of fun too.
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Old 12-04-2023, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Agreed (if ICAO doesn't follow suit). It's not the middle of the pack NB A's, much less the junior ones that need to 'worry'. It's the top 10-15% NB A's that would get dogpiled, and lose thier top couple of page status.
Correcto.

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Old 12-04-2023, 06:57 AM
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Wow, 47 NYC330A's...That's more than a fifth of the base being filled in one bid. Dang.
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Old 12-04-2023, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
They won't have to worry - they will be bidding for the WB A seats you are being forcibly vacated from.
no one will be vacated from a seat. I have zero doubt if the U.S. raises the retirement age, ICAO will follow.
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no one will be vacated from a seat. I have zero doubt if the U.S. raises the retirement age, ICAO will follow.
ICAO will do it eventually.
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Old 12-04-2023, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
ATL 73NBs: PREPARE YOURSELVES.



He must not love it that much, since he brags all the time about clearing his NYC schedule and abrogating seniority by WS-ing for ATL trips.
Umm ATL73NBs already fly with me as the majority of my trips are ATL trips. What preparing they need to do?

Next, abrogating seniority? So you in the "they are stealing muh Greenslip" camp huh? I'll be flying the same trips except as WS instead of OOBWS soon so get your "why are people WSing when Greens are going out!" complaining ready Nick "Keyboard Warrior" Bradshaw.
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Big E, they won't have a choice in that regard. It will be fly NB or go do something else. ICAO will not catch up with age 67 by the time it passes here. So that will leave a lot of curmudgeons like Nick in limbo. They will likely have 3 options. 1 - be forced down to NB flying; 2 - Go NBCSIC; 3 - perhaps a deal is made between ALPA and the other carriers to "buy out" these guys like we did with the VEOP.
Most likely it will be a negotiated buyout resembling the VEOP. And of course that's not going to come without concessions that the juniors will feel. If only they didn't throw us under the bus in C19. Looks like we're getting a second chance at a fourth pillar.

As for ICAO, they move glacially slow. The FAA going to 67 will trigger studies and a multi year review. It will be way cheaper for the airlines to negotiate a buyout.

But short of that, yeah, I guess we'll be dogpiling the mid to upper seniority NBAs. It would be fine to go back to 320A with super seniority and working easy trips.
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
Most likely it will be a negotiated buyout resembling the VEOP. And of course that's not going to come without concessions that the juniors will feel. If only they didn't throw us under the bus in C19. Looks like we're getting a second chance at a fourth pillar.

As for ICAO, they move glacially slow. The FAA going to 67 will trigger studies and a multi year review. It will be way cheaper for the airlines to negotiate a buyout.

But short of that, yeah, I guess we'll be dogpiling the mid to upper seniority NBAs. It would be fine to go back to 320A with super seniority and working easy trips.
No concessions. I'll vote no every time
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