Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
11-04-2023, 06:57 PM
#5701
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yeah I’ve seen that and know the union arguments. I disagree. For the record, I don’t think the whole ER category should be paid widebody rates….just the 767. We had separate pay rates for the 757 and 767 in the past, They are different airplanes with very different capabilities.
11-04-2023, 07:05 PM
#5702
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The funny thing about this argument, is that by the time the current contract becomes amenable, the 767-300 will have been replaced by the higher paying 767-400/330/360/787 category aircraft anyway
11-04-2023, 07:28 PM
#5704
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2014 Hire is the Widebody wall. 2007 hires is the Moat. With 35 NYC 330As on this AE the Moat gets breached this AE or the next.
The Wall will Fall by Sept 2025, and IMO possibly well before that. 330A is a prestigious position, but I think most people would rather stay senior domestic As vs junior reserve 330A+NYC Crash pad shenanigans for shortcall only to fly to Paris and Amsterdam 90% of the time. Oh and double redeyes to South America
The Wall will Fall by Sept 2025, and IMO possibly well before that. 330A is a prestigious position, but I think most people would rather stay senior domestic As vs junior reserve 330A+NYC Crash pad shenanigans for shortcall only to fly to Paris and Amsterdam 90% of the time. Oh and double redeyes to South America
I get you are making a prediction, just don’t call it a “wall”. It’s such a misnomer. Every hire year will eventually hold every position, so “walls” would constantly be “falling”, which makes it useless as a metric. Noting it as a milestone is fine, of course,
For those not familiar, NY 330 A plug is currently just under 3000. 2007 hires currently range from 466X to 524X, with a bunch of 2000/2001 hires mixed in. I don’t see 330A dropping to 5000ish in this AE, or anytime soon.
11-04-2023, 08:05 PM
#5705
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With respect, that’s not a wall. A wall is a barrier. Like NH’s temporarily getting WB B (which has been rebuilt), or ER Captain “falling” to the same level as other NB Captain at ~80% in the company (10 years ago it was 50%, except NYC where is was 67%). Those are “walls”.
I get you are making a prediction, just don’t call it a “wall”. It’s such a misnomer. Every hire year will eventually hold every position, so “walls” would constantly be “falling”, which makes it useless as a metric. Noting it as a milestone is fine, of course,
For those not familiar, NY 330 A plug is currently just under 3000. 2007 hires currently range from 466X to 524X, with a bunch of 2000/2001 hires mixed in. I don’t see 330A dropping to 5000ish in this AE, or anytime soon.
I get you are making a prediction, just don’t call it a “wall”. It’s such a misnomer. Every hire year will eventually hold every position, so “walls” would constantly be “falling”, which makes it useless as a metric. Noting it as a milestone is fine, of course,
For those not familiar, NY 330 A plug is currently just under 3000. 2007 hires currently range from 466X to 524X, with a bunch of 2000/2001 hires mixed in. I don’t see 330A dropping to 5000ish in this AE, or anytime soon.
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11-04-2023, 08:09 PM
#5706
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For those not familiar, NY 330 A plug is currently just over 3700 (Aug '98 fNW/Jun '00 DAL) on the Dec '23 category list. 2007 hires currently range from 466X to 524X, with a bunch of 2000/2001 hires mixed in. I don’t see 330A dropping to 5000ish in this AE, or anytime soon.
11-04-2023, 08:10 PM
#5707
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With respect, that’s not a wall. A wall is a barrier. Like NH’s temporarily getting WB B (which has been rebuilt), or ER Captain “falling” to the same level as other NB Captain at ~80% in the company (10 years ago it was 50%, except NYC where is was 67%). Those are “walls”.
I get you are making a prediction, just don’t call it a “wall”. It’s such a misnomer. Every hire year will eventually hold every position, so “walls” would constantly be “falling”, which makes it useless as a metric. Noting it as a milestone is fine, of course,
For those not familiar, NY 330 A plug is currently just under 3000. 2007 hires currently range from 466X to 524X, with a bunch of 2000/2001 hires mixed in. I don’t see 330A dropping to 5000ish in this AE, or anytime soon.
I get you are making a prediction, just don’t call it a “wall”. It’s such a misnomer. Every hire year will eventually hold every position, so “walls” would constantly be “falling”, which makes it useless as a metric. Noting it as a milestone is fine, of course,
For those not familiar, NY 330 A plug is currently just under 3000. 2007 hires currently range from 466X to 524X, with a bunch of 2000/2001 hires mixed in. I don’t see 330A dropping to 5000ish in this AE, or anytime soon.
11-04-2023, 08:55 PM
#5709
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I think you meant that NYC 330 A is basically 4000 not “just under 3000”. And I am amused that you basically call Trip’s walls arbitrary and then pull out some of your own “wall” percentages…. I think you could easily interpret 2014 as a wall, because you will have people getting Big Widebody A at 11-12 years on property which is not a historical norm.
Calling a particular hire year a “wall” is wrong. It’s still a milestone, just not any kind of wall.
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