Iceberg

Considering that, and the fact no one would be able to break their seat lock acquired since the monthly bids started, I’m betting we’re looking at speculation.

S4User

Unless you're upgrading, then there is a latest conversion date on the AE results. In that case, if you are still training past this date, you are paid at your new category rate for those dates.

Ex. Training Nov 15-Dec 15. Conversion is Dec 1st. Pay for Dec 1-15 is at new category.

Jaww

What does upgrading have to do with it? If you don’t convert by that date on an upgrade you still get paid. Ask me how I know.

S4User

How do you know?

Jaww

Because I didn’t get sent to training until after my convert date. I was pay protected.

Jaww

I just realized we may be talking two different things. I’m using AE conversion date, not the made up date training comes out with.

S4User

Right, if you start or in process of training past the conversion date, you are pay protected (i.e. you get paid the new category rate). Same difference, ha.

FL370esq

This discussion has me dizzy. 😁 Seems like two things are getting mixed up or not well explained. At the top of the AE results is posted the latest conversion date - March 2nd, 2024 for the most recent AE award. If you have been awarded an AE but have not been converted to your awarded category by that date (March 2, 2024 or...the March bid period, in this example) you are automatically converted to your awarded category and you are no longer permitted to fly in your current category (22.D.6 and 22.E.7). You just collect your new pay at a pro-rated portion of the ALV for each day you are awaiting training (11.b.1.e). and wait for them to train you. That is the guiding rule and there are a few exceptions; (1) you and the company could mutually agree to extend your conversion window so that you can continue to fly in your current category while you await training and thus have no pay protection for your new rate; and (2) you have an AE to a Captain position but do not meet the FAR minimums (less the required OE time) and won't meet them by the end of the conversion window. In that case, you would remain in your current category until you get that FAR time (less required OE time) and you will not be pay protected at your new rate.

The more common "conversion" is found in 22.E.6 and that states that your conversion to your new category is based on your completion date of training (sim, not OE). If on or before the 16th of the month, you convert on the first day of the bid period for that month. If after the 16th, you convert the following bid period. That can be interesting if you finish your 44X on the 17th, go out on your OE rotation on the 21st and finish your required OE hours and landings on the 24th. Guess what? You can't pick up that sweet 5 day GS in your new category that went to a pilot 1,000 numbers junior to you because you really aren't in the category after you complete OE until the start of the next bid period. You simply have the rest of the month off with no more pay.

Clear as mud?

tennisguru

I think you are incorrect about the part I bolded. No matter what you get paid your new (assuming higher) rate by the last day of the AE conversion window. If you agree to fly past that you get your new pay rate to fly your old equipment, which can be a very lucrative deal especially if you are a senior FO in a short staffed category getting paid CA rates while waiting to go to upgrade training.

FL370esq

You are probably right but, I think, structurally that is incorrect because you have voluntarily and mutually agreed to extend your latest conversion date so, by extending, you haven't hit the end of your conversion window. However, in reality, you should get the new category pay rate because of the pay protection afforded you when a junior pilot to you, from the same AE and awarded the same category (who also requires training like you), converts before you do.