Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
10-23-2023, 07:42 AM
#5571
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 947
We’d have 30 microbases across the system if they actually meant a meaningful reduction in credit. It’s very telling that the company never brought up VBs again after the pull-down.
10-23-2023, 07:58 AM
#5572
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,465
That is the way I remember it also. IMHO it was a missed opportunity - All DALPA had to do was insist the unilateral pull down capability was permanent. If the company would not agree to that then - No Deal. If the company did agree to that it would have allowed DALPA to continually decide if it was beneficial to the Pilots or not.
The potential disruption to the flying distribution was never understood by a lot of Pilots and was exploited by those who did not want this. The reduction in "credit time" via DHs was real, but we will never know the extent and how it might have affected the Pilot group as a whole.
In any case I believe the Union pulled it down as part of a bigger strategic move and that's fine, but it would have been nice to have tried it if we kept the unilateral pull down capability.
Scoop
The potential disruption to the flying distribution was never understood by a lot of Pilots and was exploited by those who did not want this. The reduction in "credit time" via DHs was real, but we will never know the extent and how it might have affected the Pilot group as a whole.
In any case I believe the Union pulled it down as part of a bigger strategic move and that's fine, but it would have been nice to have tried it if we kept the unilateral pull down capability.
Scoop
10-23-2023, 08:13 AM
#5573
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 947
Without the ongoing threat of a pull down the company would have slow rolled the bad and talked up the good. Besides, the institutional inertia once this was instituted would have made it difficult to retract given the demographics of commuters vs not commuters. There would have never been enough unity to halt it after the fact. I'm glad it never was. YMMV
I do agree with you that us having permanent pull-down language would have been essential.
10-23-2023, 08:51 AM
#5574
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 905
Didn't forget anything. The team that negotiated it did. Stand by my post, except to clarify that the company could not just unilaterally pull time from any base, while at the same time being in complete control of the outcome of where the time came from, if any. Somewhat akin to the AE process.
Neither was the point of the post -- in that the pulldown was not some mentality to protect the PTC mafia.
Neither was the point of the post -- in that the pulldown was not some mentality to protect the PTC mafia.
This MOU will become effective on its date of signing and will remain in effect for a period of one year following December 1, 2016 unless extended by agreement of the parties. The provisions of Paragraph 1. Virtual Basing and Paragraph 2. Temporary Duty may be terminated at any time, separately or jointly, upon written notice by either party.
10-23-2023, 10:04 AM
#5575
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Hates Commuting
Posts: 960
As we all know, the company would never violate the contract, sooooo..,,.
10-23-2023, 11:29 AM
#5576
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Position: Currently freeloading
Posts: 550
"Sorry FA's, we can't give you PS commuting because we'd have to give it to the pilots too. You understand..."
10-23-2023, 11:45 AM
#5577
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,558
I stopped reading this and all your posts after this statement. Oct 2023 join date? Been here 30 years? 21 posts so far this month. So basically, you want us to believe you quietly lurked here all these years, now "suddenly" you have lots to say?
No, it's one of these options:
1. Long time APC-er who got his account banned so you opened a new one
2. New troll account (CBreezyOOfff is that you?)
3. You're Lying
4. All of the above
Either way, you have zero credibility with your "been here over 30 years". Nice round number. Sure you have.
No, it's one of these options:
1. Long time APC-er who got his account banned so you opened a new one
2. New troll account (CBreezyOOfff is that you?)
3. You're Lying
4. All of the above
Either way, you have zero credibility with your "been here over 30 years". Nice round number. Sure you have.
10-23-2023, 12:35 PM
#5579
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,465
This is actually the worst credibility attack argument I've seen, ever.
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