Abouttime2fish

I equate it to the same BS in the military. “I didn’t get a good deal so you can’t get one either.”

OOfff

keep my name out ya mouth

Scoop

Could it be possible that he meant he was at Delta for over 30 years? APC did not exist 30 years ago so that is not what he is talking about.

Scoop

HelloNewnan

Its ok. He seems to have a lot of angst going on. My point simply was over 30 years, the Delta culture, at least the pilot side, remained remarkably stable, even through the merger. Its only been the last few years where any new ideas seem to have taken root, and that's a good thing.

Ancman is right about one thing, though. For a lot of years the PTC crowd has been all about "your gain is my loss".

Buck Rogers

Interesting you think this is only true of ATL. What do you think the DTW A-350 pilots thought when they split the bases and time and pilots by opening up ATL and LAX A-350? Weren't ATL and LAX gains viewed as DTW's loss?

Kinda naive to think it's bases specific. Ask 350 guys (especially captains) what they think of pay banding up. Other planes were banded up to the top pay (which was/is good for more pilots especially over the long term) but their gain was at the expense of achievable 350 incrementally higher rates.

I think it's called, "Human nature".

ancman

It’s easiest to pick on PTC as it’s the largest base housing in the system, but yes, there are plenty of examples on a smaller scale of locals being very defensive of “their flying”.

The fact is, no fleet or base owns any flying at Delta. Our airline is the most dynamic in the industry when it comes to moving flying between fleets and bases.

That’s one thing that I actually enjoy about being a commuter. I’m a free agent in terms of where I’m based and what I fly. My base is nothing more than a place where I usually start and end trips (unless I DDH or fly OOB). I don’t need to worry about network’s flavor of the month.

brakechatter

That attiude is not the reason that VB and TDY got pulled.

ancman

VBs were pulled because C44 and C16 finally found something to agree on — for completely different reasons.

C44 was afraid of TDYs and VBs infringing on “their” flying and diluting the quality of the ATL bid pack (a ridiculous fallacy).

C16 didn’t care about that, but did want to stick it to the company.

Every other council fell somewhere in between. The end result - VBs and TDYs were toast before a short trial could even be conducted and relevant data collected.

bluejuice71

He’s not wrong.

TED74

Not a ridiculous fallacy, despite your hyperbole. The company wanted VBs in order to reduce credit. Credit in most cases increases the quality of rotations. It’s what front- and back-end deadheads have. It’s what easy green slips have. It’s what easy reserve assignments have. Outside of contractual provisions the company may or may not follow, credit is the last buffer that keeps the optimizer from completely destroying quality of life for those of us who don’t favor hard time trips.

TDYs and VBs would have pulled credit out of the system - from all bases, and it would have given the optimizer more options to sodomize. For anyone living in or near MCO flying the 7ER, it probably would have been a pretty good gig. For everyone else, it probably would have made things just a little worse. In the end, more pilots preferred not to risk the experiment and the MEC executed the will of the majority. The company had a year to try VBs and TDYs and never did. We pulled it down just like the company could have pulled it down.

Nothing ridiculous, nothing crazy. The big bad ATL boogeymen didn’t go rogue. If the company wants a Florida pilot base, they can open one at any time.