TegridyFarms

I don’t even know how this would ever come up in conversation? I’d rather sit there and count clouds than have this conversation. How’s that go? You run out of things to talk about and it goes like this?:

“So, I understand there was once a time when DL pilots couldn’t ride in a DL Jumpseat. What are your thoughts?”

Response: “yeah. I wish they still couldn’t ride in the Jumpseat.”

“So, you like….. stuff?”

Reminds me of that livin the dream skit.

Gone Flying

it was during contract negotiations when PSC was an item being discussed. Several in base pilots were flat out against PSC, not just ambivalent. A couple mentioned how they didn’t even like the jumpseat policy and liked it better before.

CBreezy

I'm surprised that a student would want to be taught by their instructor. I guess the LCA thinks the trip should be "you have any questions? No? Cool."

I didn't read the thing because it's a miserable document and I turned out just fine.

crazyjaydawg

In the spring it was ~51% make it through their first year. Got it from a good source.

Must be a similar at Harvard, right?

Jaww

If Big D updated the movies more frequently they would probably have better attrition rates. I suspect it’s probably 6 months to burn through everything and another 6 to push you over the edge. How can they be expected to not work and now not be entertained?

ancman

But now they have access to fast, free WiFi from the comfort of their safety seats as well. Maybe a free Netflix subscription would boost retention.

Extenda

I think the argument is this

pilot 1. Buys a way smaller house close to NYC for way more than he should solely for the benefit of living close to the junior base and being able to accrue seniority faster than living where he really wants to.

pilot 2. Buys a giant house in anytown USA knowing he is going to have to play the jumpseat game to get to work, but he is happy because he has a lower cost of living and gets to live where he wants.

introduce PSC. Pilot 2 upgrades early, switches bases, commutes to a junior base from a senior base etc. essentially enjoying the trappings of living in a low cost of living area knowing the company will just buy him a ticket to go to work.

Expanded scenario: senior ATL ER who lives in atlanta decides to switch to NYC ER. The flying is way way better. If they’re just going to buy them a ticket to go to work why wouldn’t you bid it? The 3 day trip footprints will be the same and you’re guaranteed a flight to work that shows an hour before departure then you get a positive space seat an hour after you land when the trip is over. NYC ER pilot pushed down the seniority list because ATL ER pilot bids all the Gucci europe trips then goes home to his peachtree city mansion twice the size and half the price of NYC ERs Long Island split level.

both pilots got hired knowing the rules of the game and the stakes on choosing their base and where to settle down. Now “commuters” are lobbying to change the rules which would solely benefit them at the expense of the local.

I’m ambivalent like you but this is the anti-
psc argument don’t flame me lol.

Jaww

Be more senior. It was a fatigue mitigation strategy by delta a few years ago until it wasn’t.

CBreezy

Locals can choose to commute for better seniority or QOL. Locals can move to be closer to their family without risking significant QOL reduction. Might even be fewer divorced pilots that way. Then we wouldn't have to fight about retirement.

I disagree that it's changing the rules. It's the continued acknowledgement that not everyone should have to live within an hour or two of Delta hubs otherwise get punished for 20 years.

connollc

And lets not forget the company showed us exactly how to bid to avoid fatiguing rotations. Someone have those bid lines from QCQ readily available again?

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