Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
10-21-2023, 09:58 AM
#5511
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
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If I had never left my regional I’d probably be making about as much of not more than I I do now as a year 4-5 ER FO. (But definitely working a lot more)
10-21-2023, 10:08 AM
#5512
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Joined APC: Jan 2020
Posts: 379
I’ve heard from plenty of them how much longer and better their layovers were. Doesn’t surprise me a bit.
10-21-2023, 10:17 AM
#5513
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: 717A
Posts: 2,937
You need to caveat with qol. But pay is obviously better and sooner.
10-21-2023, 10:29 AM
#5514
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Ya, that's a pretty short-sighted reason to have a crappy attitude. Management is giving us enough reason to have a crappy attitude, it's hard to take anyone serious who opines about their QOL at the regional. I remember guys not wanting to leave Expressjet in 2008/10/14 because they were flying day turns M-TH and didn't want to take a "paycut" to go to to the majors. Fast forward to now, many are at the Majors and nearly a decade junior to guys who were probably just starting college when they became captain at Xjet.
10-21-2023, 10:58 AM
#5515
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Joined APC: Oct 2023
Posts: 161
ATL based. Again, it’s the minority of new hires I fly with don't GAS and don’t want to improve. I can relate to current management and ops tempo making me want to do my job and no more but these guys and gals don’t even care about doing that well (again the minority of NHs, overall they are great).
10-21-2023, 11:52 AM
#5517
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Joined APC: Feb 2020
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I don't find the low experience a problem, I find the attitude and entitlement a problem. A higher proportion than in the past (yet still a minority) just don’t GAS. No motivation at all. I flew with a NH on probation that only complained. Another said he hated every captain at delta and would upgrade asap. Pilots on probation saying this. I can take the inexperience, I can teach that out of them. I can’t help them with a bad attitude. That’s what is getting sacrificed imo.
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10-21-2023, 12:06 PM
#5518
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
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when I left my regional, year 1 pay was more per hour than I was making as a CA. The only reason I made significantly less my first year here was the combination of COVID and our training salary that we have since gotten rid of. Had Covid not happened I probably would have made about the same as i did my last year as a CA, Year 2 I easily beat my RJ CA earnings.
my point was the pay disparity between an RJ CA with 5-8 years seniority and a DL pilot on year 2-3 pay isn’t significant like it used to be.
10-21-2023, 12:10 PM
#5519
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 670
I've heard their training churn is way worse. They can't keep FAs since the pandemic and they are quitting faster than hiring can replace them. Especially making them commute to NYC and BOS as newhires without PS. The FA satellite bases thing is a Hail Mary pass.
10-21-2023, 12:11 PM
#5520
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Position: UNA
Posts: 4,657
they have that training churn, but no further training is required like for us if they change aircraft
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