Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
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My guess is the variance in WBB has been because there has been a wide variance in the number of those positions the company posts AE to AE. If they have an AE with a significant number that’ll drive it more junior again.
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We've had 5 "Monthly" AE's now, so I thought I'd see if we have any trends forming. I looked at the plug WB A, WB B, and NB A, and did some math with the actual Seniority List number for each month (since we are adding 200+/month).
Here's the data: Raw numbers don't tell a full story, so I included percentage of total seniority list, which is a much better gauge ("time to hold" is a horrible gauge when hiring is crazy like it has been, especially considering hiring will slow down in about 6-7 months. Flt ops has said 200/month though the start of summer, then 100/month the rest of the 2024).
June AE Plug
WB A 25XX, 15.7%
WB B 86XX, 54.1%
NB A 134XX, 84.5%
July AE Plug
WB A 31XX, 19.5% (Excluding 1 MD)
WB B 103XX, 64.5%
NB A 138XX, 86.3%
Aug AE Plug
WB A 38XX, 23.5%
WB B 112XX,69.5%
NB A 141XX, 87.0%
Sep AE Plug
WB A 39XX, 23.8%
WB B 86XX, 52.5%
NB A 142XX, 86.9%
Oct AE Plug
WB A 36XX, 22.1%
WB B 114XX, 69.3%
NB A 145XX, 87.6%
Notes: Once again, virtually every single NH who wanted a base change got one. Said another way, the junior base change award was a higher seniority number than the size of the list on the 1st of that month... Also, the Mid-Bid results are consistently at a point slightly more junior to the final result. Also, For those not aware, the June AE was the first AE in 5 months, one of the longest AE droughts in a long time. As a result, that AE was a little more senior. Also, the June and July AE's closed the SEA 7ER base, which had a few statistical outliers I excluded.
Things seem to have settled down pretty close to the following numbers:
WB A 22 or 23% (last 3 AE's were exactly there)
WB B mid-60% (more variance here)
NB A 86 or 87% (very consistent here)
Not to say these trends won't shift over time, just thought it was interesting to see how things are trending. It is also interesting to see how NB A is a litte more junior that Pre-Covid norms, and WB B is a little more senior. At least, for now.
Here's the data: Raw numbers don't tell a full story, so I included percentage of total seniority list, which is a much better gauge ("time to hold" is a horrible gauge when hiring is crazy like it has been, especially considering hiring will slow down in about 6-7 months. Flt ops has said 200/month though the start of summer, then 100/month the rest of the 2024).
June AE Plug
WB A 25XX, 15.7%
WB B 86XX, 54.1%
NB A 134XX, 84.5%
July AE Plug
WB A 31XX, 19.5% (Excluding 1 MD)
WB B 103XX, 64.5%
NB A 138XX, 86.3%
Aug AE Plug
WB A 38XX, 23.5%
WB B 112XX,69.5%
NB A 141XX, 87.0%
Sep AE Plug
WB A 39XX, 23.8%
WB B 86XX, 52.5%
NB A 142XX, 86.9%
Oct AE Plug
WB A 36XX, 22.1%
WB B 114XX, 69.3%
NB A 145XX, 87.6%
Notes: Once again, virtually every single NH who wanted a base change got one. Said another way, the junior base change award was a higher seniority number than the size of the list on the 1st of that month... Also, the Mid-Bid results are consistently at a point slightly more junior to the final result. Also, For those not aware, the June AE was the first AE in 5 months, one of the longest AE droughts in a long time. As a result, that AE was a little more senior. Also, the June and July AE's closed the SEA 7ER base, which had a few statistical outliers I excluded.
Things seem to have settled down pretty close to the following numbers:
WB A 22 or 23% (last 3 AE's were exactly there)
WB B mid-60% (more variance here)
NB A 86 or 87% (very consistent here)
Not to say these trends won't shift over time, just thought it was interesting to see how things are trending. It is also interesting to see how NB A is a litte more junior that Pre-Covid norms, and WB B is a little more senior. At least, for now.
I show 393X for WB a.
so 23.7%
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Thanks for the analysis Fangs.
Nice to see the percentage to hold WBA dropping even if it’s only slightly. As more top pay aircraft arrive that should fall even more.
How close do you get Gunfighter?
Nice to see the percentage to hold WBA dropping even if it’s only slightly. As more top pay aircraft arrive that should fall even more.
How close do you get Gunfighter?
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That helps, seeing the numbers as percentages, thank you for posting that.
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Well, that could be 2000 numbers or 20 numbers depending on hiring demographics. Percentages are "good" ![Big Grin](https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
That's why peeps who "got screwed in the merger" typically want to talk dates of hire and not percentages. That was true in the Western merger, PanAm merger and the Northwest merger. Let's not even go into AA and USAir and TWA. Percentages rock!
Not a diss, just an observation
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That's why peeps who "got screwed in the merger" typically want to talk dates of hire and not percentages. That was true in the Western merger, PanAm merger and the Northwest merger. Let's not even go into AA and USAir and TWA. Percentages rock!
Not a diss, just an observation
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Tegridy is heading to his forever plane in Mecca with commuting days behind him! A win for tegridy and a win for the fleet.
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