Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
10-18-2023, 01:25 PM
#5431
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: Round Two
Posts: 374
Maybe tomorrow?
Do results ever get posted after 5 ET?
Do results ever get posted after 5 ET?
10-19-2023, 05:44 AM
#5436
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Wow, my timing prediction a few posts up aged very poorly. 
Mid-bid cut lines:
WB A plug just over 40XX, or ~23%
WB B plug 116XX, or ~69%
NB A plug right at 14,7XX, or ~86%
Very similar to the final results of the last AE, with NB A being a little more junior. Mid-Bid seems to trend a little more junior that final award.
Mid-bid cut lines:
WB A plug just over 40XX, or ~23%
WB B plug 116XX, or ~69%
NB A plug right at 14,7XX, or ~86%
Very similar to the final results of the last AE, with NB A being a little more junior. Mid-Bid seems to trend a little more junior that final award.
WB A plug 39XX
WB B plug 114XX
NB A plug 14,5XX
So AE's seem to be settling in where the Mid-Bid is consistently trending slightly junior to the final result, a couple hundred numbers or so. Most likely due to CR tweaking the backfills to get a more desired training churn (i.e.less of it).
Also worth noting for New Hires or CJO holders, that the most junior hire is consistently getting a base change in thier first AE. So NH's should prioritize the equipment over the base in their preferences for the foreseeable future. Every single one of these NH base changes are taking place at the front of the window: Jan 1st.
Congrats to all the awardees!
10-19-2023, 05:54 AM
#5437
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Just quoting for comparison to the Mid-Bid...
WB A plug 39XX
WB B plug 114XX
NB A plug 14,5XX
So AE's seem to be settling in where the Mid-Bid is consistently trending slightly junior to the final result, a couple hundred numbers or so. Most likely due to CR tweaking the backfills to get a more desired training churn (i.e.less of it).
Also worth noting for New Hires or CJO holders, that the most junior hire is consistently getting a base change in thier first AE. So NH's should prioritize the equipment over the base in their preferences for the foreseeable future. Even single one of these NH base changes are taking place at the front of the window: Jan 1st.
Congrats to all the awardees!
WB A plug 39XX
WB B plug 114XX
NB A plug 14,5XX
So AE's seem to be settling in where the Mid-Bid is consistently trending slightly junior to the final result, a couple hundred numbers or so. Most likely due to CR tweaking the backfills to get a more desired training churn (i.e.less of it).
Also worth noting for New Hires or CJO holders, that the most junior hire is consistently getting a base change in thier first AE. So NH's should prioritize the equipment over the base in their preferences for the foreseeable future. Even single one of these NH base changes are taking place at the front of the window: Jan 1st.
Congrats to all the awardees!
10-19-2023, 06:23 AM
#5438
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: MD88
Posts: 1,422
2 senior to me left, 2 senior to me bid in. Boring.
Hey Flex! How much did your seniority go up??
Hey Flex! How much did your seniority go up??
10-19-2023, 06:56 AM
#5439
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Posts: 4,867
We've had 5 "Monthly" AE's now, so I thought I'd see if we have any trends forming. I looked at the plug WB A, WB B, and NB A, and did some math with the actual Seniority List number for each month (since we are adding 200+/month).
Here's the data: Raw numbers don't tell a full story, so I included percentage of total seniority list, which is a much better gauge ("time to hold" is a horrible gauge when hiring is crazy like it has been, especially considering hiring will slow down in about 6-7 months. Flt ops has said 200/month though the start of summer, then 100/month the rest of the 2024).
June AE Plug
WB A 25XX, 15.7%
WB B 86XX, 54.1%
NB A 134XX, 84.5%
July AE Plug
WB A 31XX, 19.5% (Excluding 1 MD)
WB B 103XX, 64.5%
NB A 138XX, 86.3%
Aug AE Plug
WB A 38XX, 23.5%
WB B 112XX,69.5%
NB A 141XX, 87.0%
Sep AE Plug
WB A 39XX, 23.8%
WB B 86XX, 52.5%
NB A 142XX, 86.9%
Oct AE Plug
WB A 36XX, 22.1%
WB B 114XX, 69.3%
NB A 145XX, 87.6%
Notes: Once again, virtually every single NH who wanted a base change got one. Said another way, the junior base change award was a higher seniority number than the size of the list on the 1st of that month... Also, the Mid-Bid results are consistently at a point slightly more junior to the final result. Also, For those not aware, the June AE was the first AE in 5 months, one of the longest AE droughts in a long time. As a result, that AE was a little more senior. Also, the June and July AE's closed the SEA 7ER base, which had a few statistical outliers I excluded.
Things seem to have settled down pretty close to the following numbers:
WB A 22 or 23% (last 3 AE's were exactly there)
WB B mid-60% (more variance here)
NB A 86 or 87% (very consistent here)
Not to say these trends won't shift over time, just thought it was interesting to see how things are trending. It is also interesting to see how NB A is a litte more junior that Pre-Covid norms, and WB B is a little more senior. At least, for now.
Here's the data: Raw numbers don't tell a full story, so I included percentage of total seniority list, which is a much better gauge ("time to hold" is a horrible gauge when hiring is crazy like it has been, especially considering hiring will slow down in about 6-7 months. Flt ops has said 200/month though the start of summer, then 100/month the rest of the 2024).
June AE Plug
WB A 25XX, 15.7%
WB B 86XX, 54.1%
NB A 134XX, 84.5%
July AE Plug
WB A 31XX, 19.5% (Excluding 1 MD)
WB B 103XX, 64.5%
NB A 138XX, 86.3%
Aug AE Plug
WB A 38XX, 23.5%
WB B 112XX,69.5%
NB A 141XX, 87.0%
Sep AE Plug
WB A 39XX, 23.8%
WB B 86XX, 52.5%
NB A 142XX, 86.9%
Oct AE Plug
WB A 36XX, 22.1%
WB B 114XX, 69.3%
NB A 145XX, 87.6%
Notes: Once again, virtually every single NH who wanted a base change got one. Said another way, the junior base change award was a higher seniority number than the size of the list on the 1st of that month... Also, the Mid-Bid results are consistently at a point slightly more junior to the final result. Also, For those not aware, the June AE was the first AE in 5 months, one of the longest AE droughts in a long time. As a result, that AE was a little more senior. Also, the June and July AE's closed the SEA 7ER base, which had a few statistical outliers I excluded.
Things seem to have settled down pretty close to the following numbers:
WB A 22 or 23% (last 3 AE's were exactly there)
WB B mid-60% (more variance here)
NB A 86 or 87% (very consistent here)
Not to say these trends won't shift over time, just thought it was interesting to see how things are trending. It is also interesting to see how NB A is a litte more junior that Pre-Covid norms, and WB B is a little more senior. At least, for now.
10-19-2023, 07:04 AM
#5440
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,768
We've had 5 "Monthly" AE's now, so I thought I'd see if we have any trends forming. I looked at the plug WB A, WB B, and NB A, and did some math with the actual Seniority List number for each month (since we are adding 200+/month).
Here's the data: Raw numbers don't tell a full story, so I included percentage of total seniority list, which is a much better gauge ("time to hold" is a horrible gauge when hiring is crazy like it has been, especially considering hiring will slow down in about 6-7 months. Flt ops has said 200/month though the start of summer, then 100/month the rest of the 2024).
June AE Plug
WB A 25XX, 15.7%
WB B 86XX, 54.1%
NB A 134XX, 84.5%
July AE Plug
WB A 31XX, 19.5% (Excluding 1 MD)
WB B 103XX, 64.5%
NB A 138XX, 86.3%
Aug AE Plug
WB A 38XX, 23.5%
WB B 112XX,69.5%
NB A 141XX, 87.0%
Sep AE Plug
WB A 39XX, 23.8%
WB B 86XX, 52.5%
NB A 142XX, 86.9%
Oct AE Plug
WB A 36XX, 22.1%
WB B 114XX, 69.3%
NB A 145XX, 87.6%
Notes: Once again, virtually every single NH who wanted a base change got one. Said another way, the junior base change award was a higher seniority number than the size of the list on the 1st of that month... Also, the Mid-Bid results are consistently at a point slightly more junior to the final result. Also, For those not aware, the June AE was the first AE in 5 months, one of the longest AE droughts in a long time. As a result, that AE was a little more senior. Also, the June and July AE's closed the SEA 7ER base, which had a few statistical outliers I excluded.
Things seem to have settled down pretty close to the following numbers:
WB A 22 or 23% (last 3 AE's were exactly there)
WB B mid-60% (more variance here)
NB A 86 or 87% (very consistent here)
Not to say these trends won't shift over time, just thought it was interesting to see how things are trending. It is also interesting to see how NB A is a litte more junior that Pre-Covid norms, and WB B is a little more senior. At least, for now.
Here's the data: Raw numbers don't tell a full story, so I included percentage of total seniority list, which is a much better gauge ("time to hold" is a horrible gauge when hiring is crazy like it has been, especially considering hiring will slow down in about 6-7 months. Flt ops has said 200/month though the start of summer, then 100/month the rest of the 2024).
June AE Plug
WB A 25XX, 15.7%
WB B 86XX, 54.1%
NB A 134XX, 84.5%
July AE Plug
WB A 31XX, 19.5% (Excluding 1 MD)
WB B 103XX, 64.5%
NB A 138XX, 86.3%
Aug AE Plug
WB A 38XX, 23.5%
WB B 112XX,69.5%
NB A 141XX, 87.0%
Sep AE Plug
WB A 39XX, 23.8%
WB B 86XX, 52.5%
NB A 142XX, 86.9%
Oct AE Plug
WB A 36XX, 22.1%
WB B 114XX, 69.3%
NB A 145XX, 87.6%
Notes: Once again, virtually every single NH who wanted a base change got one. Said another way, the junior base change award was a higher seniority number than the size of the list on the 1st of that month... Also, the Mid-Bid results are consistently at a point slightly more junior to the final result. Also, For those not aware, the June AE was the first AE in 5 months, one of the longest AE droughts in a long time. As a result, that AE was a little more senior. Also, the June and July AE's closed the SEA 7ER base, which had a few statistical outliers I excluded.
Things seem to have settled down pretty close to the following numbers:
WB A 22 or 23% (last 3 AE's were exactly there)
WB B mid-60% (more variance here)
NB A 86 or 87% (very consistent here)
Not to say these trends won't shift over time, just thought it was interesting to see how things are trending. It is also interesting to see how NB A is a litte more junior that Pre-Covid norms, and WB B is a little more senior. At least, for now.
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