Gunfighter

Either way the children's hospital wins. If I lose the bet, it's paid from my WB A paycheck as a pre 2014 hire .

Scoop

By minimal I mean a lot less than Pilots whose only remaining upgrade is to the WB A position and a lot less than the age 60-65 move affected Pilots when we were not hiring at all and about to execute a merger. A junior Pilot might be minimally delayed bidding to 220A or it might take a year longer to get to 737A but it is all unknowable becasue there are so many variables and the longer it plays out the harder it is to isolate one specific reason. These junior Pilots will obviously see some delay since it is simply a matter of math. But if you have 20 years left and can still bid into any left seat except WB the effect is much less negative than the 2001 hire already at 7ER A with only 5 years to go. 2 years for him is 40% of his remaining career - 2 years to a guy with 20 years is 10% of his remaining career.

Don't confuse minimal with zero impact as some guys who are pushing for 67 seem to be putting out becasue of growth etc. Even with growth there will be some negative effect in progression felt throughout the seniority list. It seems intuitive that if you are on year three and can bid into multiple A positions or even a WB B you will be less impacted than a guy who only has 1 more advancing move and 50% of the guys (made up number) approaching 65 are in that seat.

Surely you can understand this. FWIW - still agnostic about 67 and think it will affect folks a lot less than 60-65 when everyone approaching age 60 just lost there DB. And please don't ask me to define "less."

Finally - lets take your VEOP example to see how this affects Pilots differently based on system wide seniority. Say 25% of Pilots take a VEOP all the top 25% to make it simple. The 2nd 25% are now the top 1/3 and just received and enormous jump forward. The third quartile is now the middle third and see some positive improvement. The last quartile is now the bottom third and see minimal improvement. As time plays out and we hire this all get watered down but this is very similar to the affects of age 67 on different seniority levels.

OBTW - Not getting involved in the "betting" but I think Trip will win this one.

Scoop

FlexManFlex

AE memo end of the week? Possibly! Who are we pulling for this next round?? Can we expect a NYC330B drop? Do we expect to see a new bottom of 12XXX?

Join us tomorrow at 8am for the new series “Flex and the AE news.” (Just kidding but a podcast would be fun)

Gunfighter

End of next week. You should start first as a guest on the Engage podcast, then launch your own.

SEAtoSummit

Engage Podcast topic of the week: Navigating APC without getting salty with Flex.

Whoopsmybad

Honestly I think things may go a little more senior, no holiday training and all.

FangsF15

Agreed. In the DTW Crew Resources talk on Skyhub recently, CR also agreed, when they said something to effect of “that’s a reasonable assumption”.

Whoopsmybad

Let me caveat though, I thing WBB Will trend more senior, I think NBA will still stay pretty junior.

crewdawg

Man I hope so. These senior dudes keep piling in...and I'm pretty senior... Stay out, 717 is very uncomfortable, reroute city with 5 legs/day, ever day, always middle seat DH, deice fluid everywhere, max duty day/min rest. Also, small town layovers are terrible, van rides are excessive and every town is a ghost town.

Gunfighter

The contractual gains have provided considerable improvements to NBA lifestyle. The QOL and pay per day gap between NB and WB has narrowed. NBA should rightfully claim their spot senior to WBB. It's time to enjoy the 15 minute van rides to a layover with a readable menu and escape the overcrowded tourist destinations.