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Old 09-24-2023, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
I love how any time any one doesn't enthusiastically wave the flag and support Age 67, you guys crawl out of the woodwork and attack. What a bunch of clowns. So self serving and hypocritical.

I'm no kid. It would benefit me too. But I can see the hypocrisy that we all benefited from the advancement of mandatory retirements at 60 and then 65 for most of our careers, now suddenly you're at the end and you've changed your mind? At least be honest and say what everyone knows. It all about the money and has nothing to do with "fairness" or "health" or anything else.

You knew the mandatory retirement age when you showed up. You guys sit in your echo chambers and convince yourselves that this is a done deal and it's just and everyone wants it and then attack anyone who doesn't agree. Well I'm your peer and I don't want it. I'm sick of the selfishness and robbing from the future generations.

But hey, back to the 2023 AE discussion. I know you guys don't care what I think. I also know the democrat senate doesn't care what you think. I'll be like Trip7 and make a bold prediction. You will not be flying WB international over age 65 within 5 years. Take a screen shot.

Also, there's no way LAX 350 goes junior. What a strange prediction. Maybe DTW, but definitely not LAX.
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Old 09-24-2023, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by myrkridia
Convenient to leave out the part where new hires aren't getting anywhere close to WBB now that seat locks are up.
Exactly. Where are WB B awards going currently? Pretty close to historical norms, and nowhere near going unfilled.
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Old 09-24-2023, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw

You knew the mandatory retirement age when you showed up. I'm sick of the selfishness and robbing from the future generations.

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There are just a couple “little” things that they “knew/had” when they showed up, a retirement and scope. Both those goal posts were moved just a little bi(sure you jumped right in to fly that new RJ, nonissue for you there. Bet you were Just shocked when hiring slowed at the majors)

As far as “robbing” from future generations, meh. 2nd year pay around 200k, 18% DC and the ability to be a Capt from 30+ years, they will somehow barely survive. JC, talk about selfishness.
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Old 09-24-2023, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123
There are just a couple “little” things that they “knew/had” when they showed up, a retirement and scope. Both those goal posts were moved just a little bi(sure you jumped right in to fly that new RJ, nonissue for you there. Bet you were Just shocked when hiring slowed at the majors)

As far as “robbing” from future generations, meh. 2nd year pay around 200k, 18% DC and the ability to be a Capt from 30+ years, they will somehow barely survive. JC, talk about selfishness.
YOU voted out pensions and scope. Don't blame that on anyone but yourselves
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Old 09-24-2023, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
YOU voted out pensions and scope. Don't blame that on anyone but yourselves
YOU are ill informed and that is a very disingenuous comment. Go back and read Sailingfun's history lessons on the matter - he posted quite a bit on it. He encapsulates it well.
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Old 09-24-2023, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
YOU are ill informed and that is a very disingenuous comment. Go back and read Sailingfun's history lessons on the matter - he posted quite a bit on it. He encapsulates it well.
So the company took the pensions without your collective approval?
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Old 09-24-2023, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123
There are just a couple “little” things that they “knew/had” when they showed up, a retirement and scope. Both those goal posts were moved just a little bi(sure you jumped right in to fly that new RJ, nonissue for you there. Bet you were Just shocked when hiring slowed at the majors)

As far as “robbing” from future generations, meh. 2nd year pay around 200k, 18% DC and the ability to be a Capt from 30+ years, they will somehow barely survive. JC, talk about selfishness.
NOBODY currently flying is a true "deadzoner". Those guys retired years ago. 65 was throwing them a bone to somewhat compensate for the pension loss. You guys are just trying to jump on that bandwagon. We've had 17 years to compensate for the pension loss. The deadzoners did not. Come off this asinine tenet.

As for the shiny RJ comment, I don't even know what that means. When I started out it was "commuter" airlines flying turboprops. Mainline contracts gave away scope and the RJs came. Anyone flying for the commuters flew whatever we were told to fly. We didn't have a seat at the table. In fact, I recall a big lawsuit over that very issue...
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Old 09-24-2023, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
So the company took the pensions without your collective approval?
oh, the one who spends every hour on SM speakth.

First off, nobody voted for “collective approval”, they voted to save the company, their living, how they provide for their family. But you know that because you’re just trying to be a DB. Were you even a pilot when this was happening?

. I could care less about 67 really but with the selfish comments, part of me really hope it passes. Now, run along to FB, get that screen time dopamine.
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Old 09-24-2023, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
YOU voted out pensions and scope. Don't blame that on anyone but yourselves
Whoa now, that’s too far. They pretty much had a gun to their head in bankruptcy, so making this claim is unfair.
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Old 09-24-2023, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Public service announcement:

After you fill Out your Chinese visa but before you submit it call CIBT. They can review it prior to submission and will catch anything that needs to be fixed. Mine was rejected twice and after using the aforementioned technique it sailed through.

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Good to know! What happens if you get it denied? Is there a waiting period before you can apply again? Can the company technically make you bid to a difference base/category after so long? I can’t find anything in the PWA about this
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