Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
09-23-2023, 06:56 AM
#4992
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Look, anyone who has been paying attention over the last 6-8 months we've been beating this proposed rule change to death, it's been pretty obvious based on everything they've said that the proponents don't plan to actually work it. They just want the money. They hope to stay on or go out on LTD, sit at home with pay and never turn a wheel, use sick time and throw a wrench in their downgrade training to drag it out, etc. Of course our management and every other airline's management realizes this, but they aren't going to kick the hornets nest by taking a side. Instead, they've got their lobbyists quietly fighting it and throwing lots o' cash around. And of course, the politicians will vote with whoever pays them more. That's not going to be a bunch of white sneaker guys with a phone holster and a facebook page.
The Canada thing isn't apples to apples. It's a penalty for doing something illegal, and there's ways around it if a pilot gets a good lawyer to fix it. It also only effects a handful of pilots. This is a much bigger factor that will effect thousands of pilots, and will certainly require address. Maybe the union, which has shown no desire to support it, flexes their young majority and lets the company put them on unpaid LOA. But the obvious compromise is a deal that puts them on UNA at 50% 717B pay. Remember when those same guys told the 2558 they didn't deserve UNA pay and should just take a furlough? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
What isn't going to happen is ICAO going along with it at the last minute and letting them keep their seats, or the company accommodating them by sitting at home with full pay, or worse, nuking the training department with a bump/flush.
The proponents of this are kidding themselves if they actually think this will be a windfall as they've been hoping. There is no way in the world they will get paid a million dollars over 2 years to never turn a wheel, or be allowed to displace thousands of pilots to go fly domestic NB for 2 more years.
09-23-2023, 07:05 AM
#4993
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09-23-2023, 07:54 AM
#4994
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Our WB timeline:
2024: A339=9 / A350 = 7
2025: A339=4 / A350 = 6
2026: A350 = 3
I think the timline for new order deliveries is 2026 or thereafter. Another factor to consider when talking about WB-A.. After S24, the 9 Latam 350s go into mods, offsetting some block hours. I foresee cabin mods happening to the 42 A332/333s at some point as well.
09-23-2023, 08:05 AM
#4995
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10k and 10qs from DL investor relations page. Google Delta 10k dec2022. Page 29.
Our WB timeline:
2024: A339=9 / A350 = 7
2025: A339=4 / A350 = 6
2026: A350 = 3
I think the timline for new order deliveries is 2026 or thereafter. Another factor to consider when talking about WB-A.. After S24, the 9 Latam 350s go into mods, offsetting some block hours. I foresee cabin mods happening to the 42 A332/333s at some point as well.
Our WB timeline:
2024: A339=9 / A350 = 7
2025: A339=4 / A350 = 6
2026: A350 = 3
I think the timline for new order deliveries is 2026 or thereafter. Another factor to consider when talking about WB-A.. After S24, the 9 Latam 350s go into mods, offsetting some block hours. I foresee cabin mods happening to the 42 A332/333s at some point as well.
09-23-2023, 08:11 AM
#4996
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Look, anyone who has been paying attention over the last 6-8 months we've been beating this proposed rule change to death, it's been pretty obvious based on everything they've said that the proponents don't plan to actually work it. They just want the money. They hope to stay on or go out on LTD, sit at home with pay and never turn a wheel, use sick time and throw a wrench in their downgrade training to drag it out, etc. Of course our management and every other airline's management realizes this, but they aren't going to kick the hornets nest by taking a side. Instead, they've got their lobbyists quietly fighting it and throwing lots o' cash around. And of course, the politicians will vote with whoever pays them more. That's not going to be a bunch of white sneaker guys with a phone holster and a facebook page.
The Canada thing isn't apples to apples. It's a penalty for doing something illegal, and there's ways around it if a pilot gets a good lawyer to fix it. It also only effects a handful of pilots. This is a much bigger factor that will effect thousands of pilots, and will certainly require address. Maybe the union, which has shown no desire to support it, flexes their young majority and lets the company put them on unpaid LOA. But the obvious compromise is a deal that puts them on UNA at 50% 717B pay. Remember when those same guys told the 2558 they didn't deserve UNA pay and should just take a furlough? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
What isn't going to happen is ICAO going along with it at the last minute and letting them keep their seats, or the company accommodating them by sitting at home with full pay, or worse, nuking the training department with a bump/flush.
The proponents of this are kidding themselves if they actually think this will be a windfall as they've been hoping. There is no way in the world they will get paid a million dollars over 2 years to never turn a wheel, or be allowed to displace thousands of pilots to go fly domestic NB for 2 more years.
The Canada thing isn't apples to apples. It's a penalty for doing something illegal, and there's ways around it if a pilot gets a good lawyer to fix it. It also only effects a handful of pilots. This is a much bigger factor that will effect thousands of pilots, and will certainly require address. Maybe the union, which has shown no desire to support it, flexes their young majority and lets the company put them on unpaid LOA. But the obvious compromise is a deal that puts them on UNA at 50% 717B pay. Remember when those same guys told the 2558 they didn't deserve UNA pay and should just take a furlough? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
What isn't going to happen is ICAO going along with it at the last minute and letting them keep their seats, or the company accommodating them by sitting at home with full pay, or worse, nuking the training department with a bump/flush.
The proponents of this are kidding themselves if they actually think this will be a windfall as they've been hoping. There is no way in the world they will get paid a million dollars over 2 years to never turn a wheel, or be allowed to displace thousands of pilots to go fly domestic NB for 2 more years.
09-23-2023, 10:21 AM
#4998
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Well yea of course. Subject to delays, like every manufacturer these days. This is the only delivery schedule I could muster up. Thought an official source document regulated by the SEC would be a tiny bit better than "trust me bro".
09-23-2023, 10:38 AM
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I’m pretty sure the fleet pages have the latest. Just pointing out that that’s 9 months old.
09-23-2023, 01:01 PM
#5000
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When you type stupid $h**, you get what you get.
If you’re so hurt over the UNA thing, the advancement with early outs, the expansion opportunities, perhaps you should have focused on being more competitive hiring wise. The majors have been going at it since 2014.
If you’re so hurt over the UNA thing, the advancement with early outs, the expansion opportunities, perhaps you should have focused on being more competitive hiring wise. The majors have been going at it since 2014.
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