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Old 09-22-2023, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
If S. 1939 has an "age" "67" provision in it, I do not see it.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-...3A%22FAA%22%7D

It is not scheduled for a vote. My best guess is that absolutely nothing will happen until after Congress works out a budget and funds the operation of the government (their enumerated responsibility).
Which comes first? An A350-1000 order or a signed government funding bill?
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Old 09-22-2023, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
Which comes first? An A350-1000 order or a signed government funding bill?
My money is on the funding bill.
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Old 09-23-2023, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
You're assuming 765A will be the most junior. You will be able to hold a pure WB A position.

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I think the -400 will be the most senior of the three because of the never bus crowd.
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Old 09-23-2023, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
I think the -400 will be the most senior of the three because of the never bus crowd.
Even though NYC765A was the first WB to be available for early 2000 hires, when it is all said and done I'm with you but I think it is more of a numbers game (way more 330s than 765s) rather than the "Never take the Bus" crowd.
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
This needs to be highlighted. More precisely, WB A plug would have to drop from a current 3750ish to 5000.

That would be an enormous shift in bidding behavior. Even with all the crazy, I-never-thought-I’d-see-the-day awards coming out of Covid, WB A is the one metric that never really wavered. The only possible path is via huge numbers of WB deliveries, and we don’t have nearly enough to close that gap in 2 years. Probably not even in 4 (for a 5XXX seniority number).

And we haven’t even brought age 67 into the chat…. (Or the recently mentioned WW III )
Last I heard, we have something like 25 deliveries of A330s and A350s in 2024 and 2025. The rumored order would take over in 2026 and beyond.

The latest award had WB-A junior to the 3750 you mention, and as far as I can tell they have not yet begun to staff the 2024 deliveries yet. WB awards have barely replaced retirements for the last 2 years.

I’m not saying that a 2014 hire will hold it in 2025, but I do think you’ll see movement on the 350/330 that is unprecedented over the next 24 months.

Age 67 and/or a global depression change the math bigly, and both have a non-zero chance of being real. So we’ve got that going for us, which is nice.
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Old 09-23-2023, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Even though NYC765A was the first WB to be available for early 2000 hires, when it is all said and done I'm with you but I think it is more of a numbers game (way more 330s than 765s) rather than the "Never take the Bus" crowd.
A second factor that will support the 765 seniority is the eventual drawdown of 7ER international flying as we get more A330s. The international 7ER pilots are more likely to bid 765 than the 330 as they follow the flying.
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Old 09-23-2023, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by First Break
Last I heard, we have something like 25 deliveries of A330s and A350s in 2024 and 2025. The rumored order would take over in 2026 and beyond.
DeltaNet Gurus,
Where is the delivery schedule for new aircraft? I know I've seen it somewhere or at least bits and pieces by airframe.
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Old 09-23-2023, 07:22 AM
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Just reviewed Virgin's annual reports. "They" are getting 14 new 330-900's with options. They've not earned a profit in eight years. How does a company remain in business with only brief blips into profitability, but running overall deficits for decades?
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That’s a question only Tom Brady can answer….
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Just reviewed Virgin's annual reports. "They" are getting 14 new 330-900's with options. They've not earned a profit in eight years. How does a company remain in business with only brief blips into profitability, but running overall deficits for decades?
So Delta is buying 6.9 airplanes.
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