OOfff

CR will adapt. It’s not nearly as big a deal for them as it is for us. What is there to really be worried about, from their POV? The cheese will move and they’ll walk over to it.

Nick Bradshaw

If the worst case for staffing happens, which is age 67 domestic, but ICAO doesn't follow, there's no provision in our contract for out of seniority displacements. That means paying people to stay home or they are going to have to open the contract and negotiate a side letter. Like all negotiations, both sides are going to demand certain concessions. It's going to be a mess. The training churn is going to be incredible. It's going to cost the airlines a fortune if it goes down like that. The training requirements alone will cause a bigger pilot shortage over the following years than raising the age will supposedly alleviate due to all the pilots offline for training.

I know the 65+ guys are driving hard to the goal and want to believe its a done deal, but I'd like to think that all of the airlines lobbyists and influencers are way ahead of them. That's how Washington works... follow the money. The vocal grassroots makes a lot of noise and gets a lots of press, but rarely wins in the end.

OOfff

if you’re not qualified to fly a trip, you get removed without pay. That will solve a lot of problems pretty quickly

Nick Bradshaw

It's easy to say that definitively here in the friendly confines of the somewhat anonymous internet, but in reality, it's likely to be a lot more complicated than that. But of course you know that. Of course we know that being contrarian here is just your schtick, so your comment is taken in the proper context.

OOfff

it’s how things currently work within our current contract framework. See someone who is unable to go to Canada for a DUI, for instance

Buck Rogers

Good comparison. An Illegal, unlawful act(DUI) is synonymous with a legal act(flying after a lawful age change)

Gotta love that logic!

OOfff

I’m not comparing a DUI to aging, I’m saying that if you aren’t qualified, that’s how things are currently handled. Same if you cannot get a Chinese visa, can’t enter Israel, or any other situation in which you cannot enter a country.

I think the company fears having to give concessions over the matter a lot less than ALPA would

PilotJ3

As of now, Canada will not let pilots above age 65 to fly. So…in theory is the same…age changes in US and nowhere else, you can’t fly there as much as you would like to.

notEnuf

67 does nothing for us if they can't fly internationally. Are you going to train in the last 2 years for a downgrade? NO.

OOfff

67 isn’t designed to do anything for “us.” We are an afterthought behind politicians being seen as having done something.