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Old 09-21-2023, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by p3flteng
A CAPT LCA was on reserve and they assigned him on his on call days to do an Atlantic route qual for an FO on my trip last month. We all sign in and the LCA says Capt unless you want to go you are released. The FO getting the route qual..Newhire.. says , wait..I need to be in XYZ for a college visit with my son..do you mind if I get release instead….I said…sorry that’s not how that works..senior available is me, the Capt…..so….sorry about your luck., besides you are the one getting the checkout!

just one way where the senior FO might not get released.
Bingo..I've released several Captains when one of the FO needs a TQ. Had one salty FO who was bothered but the senior pilot was released.

I'm an early 14 hire and I'm still 2000+ numbers from Junior WB-A.... Don't see myself able to hold it for another 3 to 4 years.
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Old 09-22-2023, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
I’d love to be wrong, but a 2014 hire in the left seat of a pure widebody in 2 years is glass completely full, maybe overflowing. I’ll happily take the plug anywhere west of the Mississippi though!
No it's not. Mark the books. I'm calling it

A 2014 DOH will be awarded an A position of 765, 330 or 350 by Sept 22nd 2025

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Old 09-22-2023, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
No it's not. Mark the books. I'm calling it

A 2014 DOH will be awarded an A position of 765, 330 or 350 by Sept 22nd 2025

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That means WB A would have to drop to 5000.
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Old 09-22-2023, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MJP27
That means WB A would have to drop to 5000.

Does that take into account all the retirements between now and then?

Anyhow age 67 is the big wildcard. If and when it passes, if ICAO follows suit, and what particular restrictions would be placed on over 65 Pilots. All unknowable variables at this time.

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Old 09-22-2023, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Can you go into more detail on potential circumstances that might cause this?

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It's admittedly rare, but if you have multiple crews on augmented trips going thru hubs, the senior FO might have to stay to keep HIS crew integrity intact. We occasionally have 9 day trips that have a DTW layover in the middle. If my trip has an OE going, even if the DTW FO is senior to the originally scheduled FO that was with me, he still has to go. It sounds obvious while I'm typing this, but I have seen skeds look at all the FOs on my trip and just release the senior one which resulted in at least two GSs and a short call reserve getting called.
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Old 09-22-2023, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Does that take into account all the retirements between now and then?

Anyhow age 67 is the big wildcard. If and when it passes, if ICAO follows suit, and what particular restrictions would be placed on over 65 Pilots. All unknowable variables at this time.

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Age 67 going to freeze our list for 2 years, maybe 3 if it’s 67.99 like some people are saying. I never read the bill. Combine this with a depression and I don’t think it’s that far fetched to be getting hit with furlough threats next near by company to leverage us into concessions.

Yes I said depression. The current government policies are unsustainable and still fueling inflation. The average American has just about maxed out their credit. Once that happens, the spending is over.

I’m not as optimistic as everyone else. In the past, things were great…..until they weren’t. The downfalls have been swift and harsh.
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Old 09-22-2023, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Does that take into account all the retirements between now and then?

Anyhow age 67 is the big wildcard. If and when it passes, if ICAO follows suit, and what particular restrictions would be placed on over 65 Pilots. All unknowable variables at this time.

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Canada already said it won’t allow US pilots above 65 to fly over there. I’m sure ICAO will take longer to approve it. Age 67, if it passes it will be a bigger mess than what we think.
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Old 09-22-2023, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
No it's not. Mark the books. I'm calling it

A 2014 DOH will be awarded an A position of 765, 330 or 350 by Sept 22nd 2025

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Yeah no. We're headed for a fall.

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Age 67 going to freeze our list for 2 years, maybe 3 if it’s 67.99 like some people are saying. I never read the bill. Combine this with a depression and I don’t think it’s that far fetched to be getting hit with furlough threats next near by company to leverage us into concessions.

Yes I said depression. The current government policies are unsustainable and still fueling inflation. The average American has just about maxed out their credit. Once that happens, the spending is over.

I’m not as optimistic as everyone else. In the past, things were great…..until they weren’t. The downfalls have been swift and harsh.
I agree. Talk to smart people, they all see it coming and are hedging accordingly. We're unsustainable at this time.

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Canada already said it won’t allow US pilots above 65 to fly over there. I’m sure ICAO will take longer to approve it. Age 67, if it passes it will be a bigger mess than what we think.
Hey, that's our expert and highly vaunted federal government you're talking about there buddy - they are always right about everything so shut up and color!!
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Old 09-22-2023, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
He's found it. Senior NBB with LCA trip buys. I've heard it's better than WB B reserve.
Thoughts on days worked vs W2, especially with new NB soft pay…
Might be the new sweet spot.
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Old 09-22-2023, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
No it's not. Mark the books. I'm calling it

A 2014 DOH will be awarded an A position of 765, 330 or 350 by Sept 22nd 2025

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No offense, but I also walked past the BTU suggestions. Optimism is good, to an extent. Overt optimism, lack of critical thinking and arrogance (I am NOT saying you have these qualities) will get you into trouble. Know thyself.
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