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Old 09-17-2023, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
This is just stupid. No one wants to keep checking weeks after trip ends while flying other trips. Then there’s never even an acknowledgement it got looked at. Then if some pay shows up, it might not even be right. The solution is to Ace everything. We need to fix the Ace app, get more volunteers, etc. It should be a day or two turn-around at the most. The time keeps getting longer. What happens when it gets to a year? 5 years? How long is too long. I know these seem extreme, but the reports are still going in faster than they are being resolved so it will eventually reach these timelines.
In my opinion, the company needs to get more people in scheduling to audit the reroutes quicker.
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Old 09-17-2023, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Go Cards go
I had one last month. It took about 17 days but eventually showed up and was correct according to my own calculations.
I waited 23 days before finally calling. The RR pay showed up less than a day later but payroll never got the message and shorted my check by the amount.

It’s absolutely intentional wage theft at this point
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Old 09-17-2023, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Go Cards go
In my opinion, the company needs to get more people in scheduling to audit the reroutes quicker.
Meanwhile we have flight ops newsletters telling us to be patient since only 4 people work in there at any given time. They identify their own problem and then tell us to deal with it. Classic gas lighting.
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Old 09-17-2023, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tripled
did the time card show open for the whole duration or did it show closed at some point before you called skeds
Yes they showed closed every time with no reroute pay.
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Old 09-17-2023, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
From what I understand just because a rotation shows closed that does not mean that RR pay has been looked at yet. In fact almost every rotation will show closed before the RR specialists get around to looking at it. You just have to keep stalking your time card to see if/when the RR pay shows up/gets adjusted.
I agree this is what we have to do. But why? Supposed to be one guy working for the Company that handles this. That is intentional. That way they can claim that guy is over worked and just missed it. Or hasn’t gotten to it yet. Or just got it wrong, after all it’s just one guy right?
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Old 09-17-2023, 04:08 PM
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I had one last month. I’m not sure how they did the math but I think it was in my favor and I got more than I should have…so I’m afraid to have anyone look at it
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Old 09-17-2023, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
I agree this is what we have to do. But why? Supposed to be one guy working for the Company that handles this. That is intentional. That way they can claim that guy is over worked and just missed it. Or hasn’t gotten to it yet. Or just got it wrong, after all it’s just one guy right?
The company Pay Specialists consists of 3-5 Crew Scheduling Supervisors that work claims when they have downtime on their supervisor shifts. Obviously there’s the spooling up and training required (consider a regular line pilot who’s immediately expected to be a lead for the DAL MEC Scheduling Committee) and Delta has little appetite to take any subject matter experts away from the normal jobs to process the 4000+ disputes submitted to the company so far this year.
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Old 09-17-2023, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
The company Pay Specialists consists of 3-5 Crew Scheduling Supervisors that work claims when they have downtime on their supervisor shifts. Obviously there’s the spooling up and training required (consider a regular line pilot who’s immediately expected to be a lead for the DAL MEC Scheduling Committee) and Delta has little appetite to take any subject matter experts away from the normal jobs to process the 4000+ disputes submitted to the company so far this year.
When you say work claims do you mean handle reroute pay? Because I heard it was one person. Glad to be wrong but either way it is obviously not enough.
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Old 09-17-2023, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaww
Meanwhile we have flight ops newsletters telling us to be patient since only 4 people work in there at any given time. They identify their own problem and then tell us to deal with it. Classic gas lighting.
A Fortune 500 company that chooses not to pay its employees in accordance with an employment contract is clearly negligent. A person or two assigned to rectify pay disputes in their spare time is demonstrably inadequate for a seniority list of 16k pilots. It would seem to me there’s a ripe class action lawsuit for the taking. I’m frankly surprised no one has initiated one with as many law school grads we have flying the line. We’ve got thousands of instances of wage theft ready for discovery and over the last decade Delta has made no attempt to increase compliance or devote appropriate manpower to paying its employees properly.

If you tire of ALPA’s system to get paid properly, don’t forget you can file a claim with the DOL. I’d love to see hundreds of these roll in to get Delta to hire a dozen full time pay auditors to bring the company into compliance. It’s insane that my dues dollars and Union representatives have to be allocated to chasing down what the company has already agreed to pay for our services.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/contact/complaints
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Old 09-17-2023, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
A Fortune 500 company that chooses not to pay its employees in accordance with an employment contract is clearly negligent. A person or two assigned to rectify pay disputes in their spare time is demonstrably inadequate for a seniority list of 16k pilots. It would seem to me there’s a ripe class action lawsuit for the taking. I’m frankly surprised no one has initiated one with as many law school grads we have flying the line. We’ve got thousands of instances of wage theft ready for discovery and over the last decade Delta has made no attempt to increase compliance or devote appropriate manpower to paying its employees properly.

If you tire of ALPA’s system to get paid properly, don’t forget you can file a claim with the DOL. I’d love to see hundreds of these roll in to get Delta to hire a dozen full time pay auditors to bring the company into compliance. It’s insane that my dues dollars and Union representatives have to be allocated to chasing down what the company has already agreed to pay for our services.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/contact/complaints
This may be the quickest path to a solution. With a little technical guidance, ALPA could write a script to file Third Party Complaints using ACE data. I don't personally have the coding skills, but I know a guy.
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