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Old 09-10-2023, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FlexManFlex
Whats your experience as a 350 new hire? You wanna stay or leave it? I’ve heard even the plug is better than being the number 1 NB FO!
Im not on the 350. But every time i see a pilot wearing their precious 350 lanyards, i can’t help but roll my eyes.
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Old 09-10-2023, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FlexManFlex
Whats your experience as a 350 new hire? You wanna stay or leave it? I’ve heard even the plug is better than being the number 1 NB FO!

You may have heard that, but paint me highly skeptical. Being junior on a WB is way better than being junior on a NB, but seriously, the plug better than numero uno - I don't think so.

With that said everyone is different with different priories and needs, so who knows. If you want schedule control and summer vacations, the plug sucks, if you want to fly to Europe and Asia and don't care about your schedule or February vacations then WB might be just the ticket.

Just remember, wherever you go - there you are.

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Old 09-10-2023, 02:14 PM
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It would be great for the first few months. Then the reality of having zero schedule control for four more years would set in. Along with zero amount of control in overnights. Also 0 green slip opportunities. The dream is to get senior and get the desirable overnights and bid reserve in the shoulder months and never work.
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Old 09-10-2023, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
You may have heard that, but paint me highly skeptical. Being junior on a WB is way better than being junior on a NB, but seriously, the plug better than numero uno - I don't think so.

With that said everyone is different with different priories and needs, so who knows. If you want schedule control and summer vacations, the plug sucks, if you want to fly to Europe and Asia and don't care about your schedule or February vacations then WB might be just the ticket.

Just remember, wherever you go - there you are.

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The statement itself might be hyperbolic, but there's some truth to the fact that for many there's a tipping point for QOL in comparing NBB vs WBB. I bet for me it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 30% NBB to beat the bottom of the list on a WBB lifestyle.
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Old 09-10-2023, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
The other thing people need to hear is you don’t get to bid holidayS. You’ll get one important holiday or one premium summer week. You can then tack your other week(s) on this week of vacation to stretch it but you can’t bid Thanksgiving and then the 4th of July and then Christmas and get them. You could bid #1 but it doesn’t matter because by the secondary bid you’ll the bidding the leftover weeks in October or February or other undesirable weeks. There will be no July or August weeks left and no important holidays left. Am I wrong on this?
you sound bitter. Like seniority isn’t everything. Ha. Go get your favorite week of the year then be at the behest of remainders. But you can stay senior in seat and just bid the schedule you want all year and it’s no biggie.

then it’s not a problem. Just be senior in your seat first, which requires…seniority. Haha
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Old 09-10-2023, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
It would be great for the first few months. Then the reality of having zero schedule control for four more years would set in. Along with zero amount of control in overnights. Also 0 green slip opportunities. The dream is to get senior and get the desirable overnights and bid reserve in the shoulder months and never work.
Pretty much my experience. I bid to 330 back in 2017 and was in the bottom 10 guys for for a couple years. Saw what I liked and what I didn’t like. Got sick of no control of everything. Especially irritated flying 60-70 hours on reserve and the top half reserve guys not flying a trip. Never moved up and actually went backwards as people bid in. Also got sick of going to LOS every week and deep SA. Some guys liked it but it wasn’t what I wanted to do. Swapped to 7ER and got way more Europe flying and actually made more money using my seniority despite the hourly pay difference. Figured I could bid back once I had some seniority cushion. Now top 10 percent on 7ER and life is pretty good.
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Old 09-10-2023, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Maddoggin
Pretty much my experience. I bid to 330 back in 2017 and was in the bottom 10 guys for for a couple years. Saw what I liked and what I didn’t like. Got sick of no control of everything. Especially irritated flying 60-70 hours on reserve and the top half reserve guys not flying a trip. Never moved up and actually went backwards as people bid in. Also got sick of going to LOS every week and deep SA.
This has been my experience in the 75-90% range on the 350. Replace “LOS every week and deep SA” with “6 day double CDG”.
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Originally Posted by palooza
you sound bitter. Like seniority isn’t everything. Ha. Go get your favorite week of the year then be at the behest of remainders. But you can stay senior in seat and just bid the schedule you want all year and it’s no biggie.

then it’s not a problem. Just be senior in your seat first, which requires…seniority. Haha
The whole point of this conversation is how you can use your seniority in your current seat with vacation bidding to better you future schedule when you are junior. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. There are lots of new people around and someone made a comment about taking multiple holiday vacations.
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Old 09-10-2023, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by game
Im not on the 350. But every time i see a pilot wearing their precious 350 lanyards, i can’t help but roll my eyes.
That's interesting. I didn't realize there was one iota of mockery for 350 lanyards. I wore when because my APD gave me one. It was the most challenging IQ I ever dealt with, so I don't mind considering it an insignia of accomplishment., and a placeholder for the next PWA unrest lanyard. Do you really think a pilot wearing said lanyard is gloating or somehow considers themselves superior to others? Perhaps an individual exuded that attitude at some point and it left a lasting impression, but I find your eye roll comment to be odd. It's just another jet and I don't see how it could be construed as weird for a pilot to wear the associated lanyard once they've gone through the program. Your comment seems to come from a similar camp to the general Airbus dislike crowd ... I have met exactly one pilot who flew a FBW Bus and disliked it, mainly because the throttles don't move (not throttles dude, thrust levers) and the side-sticks are not tied together. Okay, fine - at least he had insight to his opinion, although a lone-wolf attitude about it. The 350 might not be for you if a lanyard triggers a bodily response, especially if you're senior to me
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Old 09-10-2023, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by zippinbye
That's interesting. I didn't realize there was one iota of mockery for 350 lanyards. I wore when because my APD gave me one. It was the most challenging IQ I ever dealt with, so I don't mind considering it an insignia of accomplishment., and a placeholder for the next PWA unrest lanyard. Do you really think a pilot wearing said lanyard is gloating or somehow considers themselves superior to others? Perhaps an individual exuded that attitude at some point and it left a lasting impression, but I find your eye roll comment to be odd. It's just another jet and I don't see how it could be construed as weird for a pilot to wear the associated lanyard once they've gone through the program. Your comment seems to come from a similar camp to the general Airbus dislike crowd ... I have met exactly one pilot who flew a FBW Bus and disliked it, mainly because the throttles don't move (not throttles dude, thrust levers) and the side-sticks are not tied together. Okay, fine - at least he had insight to his opinion, although a lone-wolf attitude about it. The 350 might not be for you if a lanyard triggers a bodily response, especially if you're senior to me
It's usually a specific type who wears them.. Kinda like how it's a specific type who wears the military ones.

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