FangsF15

Yeah, that's how I read it too. They currently must have 500 on property, so it's apparently a potential drop of about 50 hours (assuming prior 121 time).

Still, pretty telling that UA Mgmt wants to address the 'problem' is this way, and pretty sad that UALPA allowed that 'fix'.

higney85

Moving back to the AE- what are folks on the 330/350B actually crediting per month? Looking at wides and without stalking individual pilots it looks like a WBB is only making 86-87 hours of NBB pay. Is that a correct assessment or am I missing something? I don’t see much OT, (with any trips going beyond WS and FAR limits) I imagine GS’s hit very senior (and short call-in base), so is it a pure QOL oasis?

Honest question.

Bergman

I don’t think you’re missing anything. You either need to live local or be pretty senior to get GS more than occasionally.

Getting to 85-90 hours a month isn’t that tough with WS and swap with the pot for higher time trips. But it was almost always hard-time months unless I had vacation. Hit 110-120 those months.

A NBB used to crazy 150 pay hour months on 50 hours block will be disappointed by the pay but astonished at the genteel, leisurely pace of life/operations.

Gunfighter

You are missing a lot by only looking at Wide Reports. Look thru a few weeks of GS across the categories you are interested in. Pilots also swap above the WS limit. Pre Covid I would occasionally swap up to 110 credit on 90 hours of block working 2 x 7 day trips. The next month I would drop down to 55 and only work 7 days. None of that would.be visible on the wide report.

There are variables between bases, equipment and relative seniority that can make a 200% difference. Bidding a line as 80% NYC 330 is an entirely different world than bidding reserve at 25% LAX 350.

Are you solving for daily or monthly earnings?
Daily pay/credit can be as high as 9 hours on some 350 trips.
Can you take a short notice GS (normal NB) or do you need time to commute (normal WB)?
I've had 5 WB GS with 12+ hours to report this year.

I'm also certain there is a NBB at or below my seniority killing it with LCA trip buys and GS#5 this month. Same seniority may also have better QOL with LCA trip buys and zero GS.

*Grass is always greener ...
**DYODD, YMMV
***BWYW WWYB
**** How do you feel about giving names and addresses of your children, their spouses and their occupations to the Chinese government as a condition of getting a required Visa? What about a copy of your military records? A Chinese Visa is more intrusive than a TS clearance application

tcco94

Oh I’m fairly confident (in my own simple opinion) China has all of that and then some on everyone in this country. So it personally doesn’t bother me. Unless you don’t have a computer and/or cell phone then maybe you’re off the grid from them somehow. Otherwise, nah. They got it all.

RunFast

40% WBB (12+ yrs)
Average commute
Actively drilling military reservist
3 kids in high school
2 x GS this year

AVG 93.4 hours/month without trying much.

crazyjaydawg

By and large this is true. Delta has operated for years in China and I can promise that the IT didn’t do enough to keep China from getting all of those records.

However, for those with military backgrounds and depending on their jobs/ranks, this amounts to signing a “confession” to the Chinese. Those that have held some sensitive jobs in the military would likely be best to avoid, IMHO. Otherwise if it’s a concern about personal information? Yeah the CCP has all that already.

crewdawg

Just look at the schedules of those around your seniority. People look at mine all the time and I'll look at others as well, normal people don't care. If you're really worried, just go look at their previous months schedules, which is good anyway, as you want to see what they're doing over a long period of time. I did this before making my last move and one of the guys actually called me to chat about what each of us were doing as he was thinking of bidding my seat. If someone does give you crap, they're probably paranoid about something they're doing...so be sure to watch them more, you'll probably learn a trick or two lol.



All very important points, which is why it's great to look at a handful of people at your base and seniority. You may have wildly different experiences of those 20% senior and/or in a different base. Also, are you (and you spouse if it applies) good with longer trips? I flew with a guy who was leaving the 330 because his wife couldn't stand him being gone for 6+ days at a time (young kids) and he didn't want to bid reserve (commutes). I didn't mind them at first, but I just got sick of the 6 day trips and now I'd rather not even fly a 3 day, but I don't commute.

Jaww

I get concerned it’s something I don’t know I’m doing. “What did I screw up now?”

Gunfighter

Snag an OOBWS. Lots of pilots will check on you.