Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
#4342
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: B737 FO
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I'm currently a NB A in ATL, and I'm strongly considering 350 B in ATL. I could have held it on this past mock AE.
I'm hoping to spend fewer days at work per month, and I am attracted to the new and more comfortable airplane. I've snooped some schedules of guys junior to me on the 350, and they are either flying 3 day Europe trips on Tuesdays or bidding reserve and not getting used for a month or more. My wife and I live well below our means, so I'm willing to trade some pay for QOL. I flew 7ER B out of NYC for my first year here, and I really enjoyed the international flying.
My major concern is that I upgraded when I grew tired of the free unscheduled flying lessons, political diatribes, and unsolicited career and financial advice. I was an ATL NB B when I bid for upgrade. What's the culture like on the 350? Do most guys get to cruise and pull out the newspaper or a book, or is top of climb the signal to tell "junior" how he hasn't earned the right to sit in the right seat, and he should feel fortunate that the way has been paved by those magnanimous souls in the left seat?
I'm hoping to spend fewer days at work per month, and I am attracted to the new and more comfortable airplane. I've snooped some schedules of guys junior to me on the 350, and they are either flying 3 day Europe trips on Tuesdays or bidding reserve and not getting used for a month or more. My wife and I live well below our means, so I'm willing to trade some pay for QOL. I flew 7ER B out of NYC for my first year here, and I really enjoyed the international flying.
My major concern is that I upgraded when I grew tired of the free unscheduled flying lessons, political diatribes, and unsolicited career and financial advice. I was an ATL NB B when I bid for upgrade. What's the culture like on the 350? Do most guys get to cruise and pull out the newspaper or a book, or is top of climb the signal to tell "junior" how he hasn't earned the right to sit in the right seat, and he should feel fortunate that the way has been paved by those magnanimous souls in the left seat?
All kidding aside, I think one major difference to consider with the A350 vs 7ER is longhaul vs ultralonghaul. It is a long time on an airplane. At least the 350 has lower cabin pressure and you get the benefit of FRMS rules that you can play the game with on reserve.
#4343
Maybe I’m weird but I just don’t care about landing in an international spot or the states. I don’t fly a traditional widebody like 330/350 but is it that hard to get a landing in a different airport with the 6-9 day rotations? Do they ALL care to get their landings in Europe and Asia? I’m curiously asking too, not trying to come off as a rhetorical question.
Either way - yeah after you do it for a few times it seems like it does wear off. Becomes about sleep and more so good food/restaurants and change of scenery away from home. That’s about all I notice now until I get a spot I’ve never been to.
I’d be content just bidding LHR for Chelsea games and Paris for food. But I am a great creature of habit, so it doesn’t seem to wear much. Maybe in 5 years I’m curious to see my tone
Either way - yeah after you do it for a few times it seems like it does wear off. Becomes about sleep and more so good food/restaurants and change of scenery away from home. That’s about all I notice now until I get a spot I’ve never been to.
I’d be content just bidding LHR for Chelsea games and Paris for food. But I am a great creature of habit, so it doesn’t seem to wear much. Maybe in 5 years I’m curious to see my tone
#4344
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
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I’ve never flown with any 3 pilot crews where the landing pilot gets anything other than middle break.
not saying it does not happen, but it would definitely be abnormal for the CA to take middle break on a leg where they are not landing.
not saying it does not happen, but it would definitely be abnormal for the CA to take middle break on a leg where they are not landing.
#4345
I’m just saying it doesn’t have to be that way.
#4346
That’s just a “that’s the way we’ve always done it”. It doesn’t have to be is my point. If I was offered a landing “taking us over” but the captain wanted 2nd break, I’d gladly take 3rd. In fact, one of the few times I flew out of the US, I requested the 3rd due to the land time being very early. Captain didn’t care.
I’m just saying it doesn’t have to be that way.
I’m just saying it doesn’t have to be that way.
#4347
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So I just did a recency sim. The trick is to get in before you go unqualified, so make sure you proactively try to get it scheduled. The sim is sooooo easy, 1 LOC approach, 2 ILS and a CATIII, that's it. I literally landed in ATL at 1pm got to the sim at 130, no briefing, and was out of the sim at 2pm and got on the 310pm flight home.
#4349
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There’s be no way I’m PF and taking 3rd break. I’m barely useful on the radios on 3rd break. Only way it would somehow work for me is if I get woken up at least an hour before landing and even then I’d just be screwing up everyone’s break time
#4350
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Nothing worse than first break, and finally starting to drift off when your break is up. Then having to push through two more breaks/descent/landing, then whatever Euro airport BS (CDG…) there is, hour+ van ride, and then not being able to sleep too long as to not mess up that nights sleep. Then of course forcing your body to try and go back to bed at 5pm body time. Intl can either be the easiest flying of your life, or a form of sleep torture.
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