Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
#4321
It sounds like the tone is a lot like it was as an NYC 7ER B. If that's the case, I'm all in. I was, however, astonished at the tone as an ATL 73N B. Two completely different jobs. One enjoyable. One unenjoyable. I guess I'm just wondering if it's an international vs domestic thing, an ATL vs NYC thing, or if I'm the jerk!
Fine by me. That's how I remember it on the 7ER. Not how I would run things, but also not going to ruin my trip.
#4322
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,237
As Captain, I never feel/felt like I had to drive the discussion(s) on the flight deck (cockpit). I'm a broad reader and spent my life living in many different countries and cultures (my parents were missionaries). I never talked religion unless the topic was brought up by someone, and even then kept it low key and non-divisive. Same with politics. Personal matters are just that - personal. None of my business really. If you'd like to discuss, I have no issue. And my intentions are never to sway opinion or belief.
Some of the best discussions I've had were somewhere over an Ocean or Jungle with one of my fellow crew. I've lurked here for a long time, I've read some very nasty stuff written by both sides. Thankfully the vast majority of our pilot group are not represented by those posters. When reading here I have to take 99% of the things with a grain of salt standpoint. However, it is still a great place to get information and interpretation or at least have someone more familiar with say, the PWA, point you in the right direction. Personally I think the pilot group is in good hands. I am concerned about experience, but if we are all professionals then we'll work through the bumps along the way. Lots and lots of talent here.
#GoFlex
Some of the best discussions I've had were somewhere over an Ocean or Jungle with one of my fellow crew. I've lurked here for a long time, I've read some very nasty stuff written by both sides. Thankfully the vast majority of our pilot group are not represented by those posters. When reading here I have to take 99% of the things with a grain of salt standpoint. However, it is still a great place to get information and interpretation or at least have someone more familiar with say, the PWA, point you in the right direction. Personally I think the pilot group is in good hands. I am concerned about experience, but if we are all professionals then we'll work through the bumps along the way. Lots and lots of talent here.
#GoFlex
I have never thought twice about commuting/ NR with me/family on a Delta jet or even a feeder. I don't even look in the cockpit to see who's flying of look them up on the seniority list to "ascertain" the "experience".
How about this 63 yo https://redirect.viglink.com/?format...000000438.html .....ripped from yesterday's headlines
#4323
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 1,520
Agree, except about the experience. I have no qualms about Delta's training and/or the relative inexperience (comparably speaking ) of ALL the newer pilots. Human nature is, if you are less experienced you are more conservative and take less risk. More experience can lead to complacency which can be as bad as lack of experience. Net result??? it's a wash IMHO. UAL Maui 777 is a case in point.
I have never thought twice about commuting/ NR with me/family on a Delta jet or even a feeder. I don't even look in the cockpit to see who's flying of look them up on the seniority list to "ascertain" the "experience".
I have never thought twice about commuting/ NR with me/family on a Delta jet or even a feeder. I don't even look in the cockpit to see who's flying of look them up on the seniority list to "ascertain" the "experience".
#4324
Like others have said, with the holidays coming up, I think it’s more likely that some pilots pull their bid and wait a couple months to train in January-March. I’d be surprised if people without a bid in now puts one in and bumps you out, but crazier things have happened
That being said, with a constant flow of bids, the progression will even out and become predictable as fewer people panic bid. You'll also start to see some base to base sport bidding.
#4325
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: LAX ER
Posts: 1,606
Agree, except about the experience. I have no qualms about Delta's training and/or the relative inexperience (comparably speaking ) of ALL the newer pilots. Human nature is, if you are less experienced you are more conservative and take less risk. More experience can lead to complacency which can be as bad as lack of experience. Net result??? it's a wash IMHO. UAL Maui 777 is a case in point.
I have never thought twice about commuting/ NR with me/family on a Delta jet or even a feeder. I don't even look in the cockpit to see who's flying of look them up on the seniority list to "ascertain" the "experience".
How about this 63 yo https://redirect.viglink.com/?format...000000438.html .....ripped from yesterday's headlines
I have never thought twice about commuting/ NR with me/family on a Delta jet or even a feeder. I don't even look in the cockpit to see who's flying of look them up on the seniority list to "ascertain" the "experience".
How about this 63 yo https://redirect.viglink.com/?format...000000438.html .....ripped from yesterday's headlines
Did you guys say this 30 years ago when you hired nothing but mil pilots who had 0 airline experience and even less hours? Didn’t think so…
#4326
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Hoping for any position
Posts: 2,520
I never understood why that’s a thing. Must be a “this is the way it was when I was an FO” thing.
It’s happened twice to me where the captain has asked me and the other FO how we were doing on landings. One captain even let us have both landings.
In the end, it’s their call, but it’s just another one of those things I’ll do differently one day.
It’s happened twice to me where the captain has asked me and the other FO how we were doing on landings. One captain even let us have both landings.
In the end, it’s their call, but it’s just another one of those things I’ll do differently one day.
#4327
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Posts: 3,237
UAL Maui was not a lack of experience. The dude flying had 10k hours and got rattled about a flap handle position. When are we going to stop forcing every incident as a “wow this is a lack of experience” tab on it
Did you guys say this 30 years ago when you hired nothing but mil pilots who had 0 airline experience and even less hours? Didn’t think so…
Did you guys say this 30 years ago when you hired nothing but mil pilots who had 0 airline experience and even less hours? Didn’t think so…
Sorry if you find this pithy.... but your lack of reading comprehension is appalling. That was exactly the point I was making and why I gave not just 1 example but 2.
Maybe you ought to re-read my post? Or quit being so spring loaded to be offended and butt-hurt.
#4329
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It's all good, sorry if I was over the top. I think I was already perplexed to start with due to Tummy's perception of life.....
My major concern is that I upgraded when I grew tired of the free unscheduled flying lessons, political diatribes, and unsolicited career and financial advice. I was an ATL NB B when I bid for upgrade. What's the culture like on the 350? Do most guys get to cruise and pull out the newspaper or a book, or is top of climb the signal to tell "junior" how he hasn't earned the right to sit in the right seat, and he should feel fortunate that the way has been paved by those magnanimous souls in the left seat?
Tummy, my suggestion would be just stay where you are and always fly with your favorite A-hole as NB-A
My major concern is that I upgraded when I grew tired of the free unscheduled flying lessons, political diatribes, and unsolicited career and financial advice. I was an ATL NB B when I bid for upgrade. What's the culture like on the 350? Do most guys get to cruise and pull out the newspaper or a book, or is top of climb the signal to tell "junior" how he hasn't earned the right to sit in the right seat, and he should feel fortunate that the way has been paved by those magnanimous souls in the left seat?
#4330
As a WB B I never landed outside the U.S. (except 1 landing on TOE) I flew a lot of back seat on 3 man trips as I was usually the junior or reserve/third add on. I never felt at the top of my game in the 767 due to infrequent legs. (adequate but not as comfortable as in the 757) I enjoyed the trips exploring, until I didn't. After the 3rd or 4th time to a city and getting to the regular spots the motivation to get out waned and the sleep became paramount. I left and will happily stay NBA bidding reserve. Just my $.02. I can't imagine the ultra long stuff spilt up by 4 pilots. Good luck, I hope the old Delta standard of A gets foreign and senior B gets U.S. has changed.
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