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Originally Posted by Wolf424
(Post 3677822)
Exactly my issue with it.
It just so happened BK was behind it, which should surprise no one anyways, I always felt it was a stupid point to argue over. I wasn’t trying to come off as a supporter of all this stuff said but it definitely comes off that way as I read it back. So I apologize. |
Originally Posted by tcco94
(Post 3677829)
There was another email that wasn’t from BK and from the RCC which I was referencing. I went digging back and see the email from BK and other C16, which I didn’t remember. Not the best look for all of us either.
anyways, I always felt it was a stupid point to argue over. I wasn’t trying to come off as a supporter of all this stuff said but it definitely comes off that way as I read it back. So I apologize. Next time in Atlanta say ten Delta Hail Marys, and it’ll all be forgiven. Jokes aside, I think the same thing. The “territorial” our flying crowd needs to chill. |
Originally Posted by tcco94
(Post 3677829)
There was another email that wasn’t from BK and from the RCC which I was referencing. I went digging back and see the email from BK and other C16, which I didn’t remember. Not the best look for all of us either.
anyways, I always felt it was a stupid point to argue over. I wasn’t trying to come off as a supporter of all this stuff said but it definitely comes off that way as I read it back. So I apologize. |
Originally Posted by FlexManFlex
(Post 3677806)
Wait, that would mean 4% growth every year with those numbers, right? That’s like 20,000+ pilots if my math is correct
But...with those numbers, that's 5000 new pilots by the end of 2026, minus a little over 1800 mandatory retirements (67 not included...). So yeah, somewhere about 19,000 by then. I wanted to ask what their goal size was, but the conversation drifted away from that topic. |
Originally Posted by PilotWombat
(Post 3677965)
So first, I'm just the messenger. These are the numbers they used when discussing future hiring. I claim no responsibility for the company's assumptions or plans.
But...with those numbers, that's 5000 new pilots by the end of 2026, minus a little over 1800 mandatory retirements (67 not included...). So yeah, somewhere about 19,000 by then. I wanted to ask what their goal size was, but the conversation drifted away from that topic. |
Originally Posted by FlexManFlex
(Post 3677991)
Thats great! So for those hired in 2020 at 14,600 that means they’ll be 45% (8,700 / 19,000) in their first 10 years haha. That could be a 33 year old at 45%… awesome!
Something about counting chickens … or Miata’s … comes to mind. |
Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
(Post 3677992)
Something about counting chickens … or Miata’s … comes to mind.
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Originally Posted by FlexManFlex
(Post 3678005)
Well then take away a third and they’re still 60% seniority in 10 years DOT. That’s like a dream come true for most pilots and that would be a BAD scenario
#GoFlex |
Originally Posted by PilotWombat
(Post 3677965)
So first, I'm just the messenger. These are the numbers they used when discussing future hiring. I claim no responsibility for the company's assumptions or plans. But...with those numbers, that's 5000 new pilots by the end of 2026, minus a little over 1800 mandatory retirements (67 not included...). So yeah, somewhere about 19,000 by then. I wanted to ask what their goal size was, but the conversation drifted away from that topic.
289 NBs(+84 options) +32 WBs =321 (405 w/options) By EOY 2027: ~270 deliveries. We certainly will retire out some old 320s, 757s and 767s. Also, we've seen plenty of missed targets on deliveries. So it's unclear what the actual fleet size will be. But from a network/fleet perspective, 4% growth is about +35-40 new hulls per year (we have about 915 mainline now). Add 270 jets, retire out about 80 (whispers of about 11 767s, 30 320s, 40 757s)..thats about 1100 mainline by 2027, or 4% annual growth. And I'm not totally sure what they mean by 4%. Could be seats (ASMs), revenue (RSMs) or fleet size. Either way, yes, barring a recession, we have firm commitments to grow mainline. Pilot group size will expand. Hiring 1000+ per year makes sense through this decade. |
Originally Posted by saturn
(Post 3678023)
We'll, lets look at our orderbook. Can't grow 4% without a fleet to offer the extra capacity. Here's our backlog summary:
289 NBs(+84 options) +32 WBs =321 (405 w/options) By EOY 2027: ~270 deliveries. We certainly will retire out some old 320s, 757s and 767s. Also, we've seen plenty of missed targets on deliveries. So it's unclear what the actual fleet size will be. But from a network/fleet perspective, 4% growth is about +35-40 new hulls per year (we have about 915 mainline now). Add 270 jets, retire out about 80 (whispers of about 11 767s, 30 320s, 40 757s)..thats about 1100 mainline by 2027, or 4% annual growth. And I'm not totally sure what they mean by 4%. Could be seats (ASMs), revenue (RSMs) or fleet size. Either way, yes, barring a recession, we have firm commitments to grow mainline. Pilot group size will expand. Hiring 1000+ per year makes sense through this decade. just going by memory…very possible I missed an incremental order press release. |
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