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Planetrain 08-02-2023 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3677017)
Again then, what's the medical precedence for cognitive testing based only on age 65? They're are thousands of 65+ corporate pilots and they have very safe records. The safety argument is a very slippery slope. I would suggest cognitive testing at 50 if you really want to go down that road. That age makes as much sense as any.

I just checked the Internet.

This chart clearly shows cognitive decline really hits at 65 and beyond. All medical and cognitive testing should clearly be more scrutinized at age 65. 50 doesn’t make sense.

https://www.brain.northwestern.edu/i...trajectory.png

2StgTurbine 08-02-2023 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3677017)
They're are thousands of 65+ corporate pilots and they have very safe records.

I've done it and would strongly disagree. Part 91 and 135 is the wild west. Plenty of the 65-plus crowd are skating by because aviation has a well-developed safety net.

Jdub2 08-02-2023 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 3677037)
I've done it and would strongly disagree. Part 91 and 135 is the wild west. Plenty of the 65-plus crowd are skating by because aviation has a well-developed safety net.

Plus corporate and 135 ball one in every month or so, or so it seems

badflaps 08-02-2023 08:01 PM

As part of Medicare I have to take a "wellness test" anually. Consists of drawing a clock and putting a time plus 3 words given at the beginning to be repeated back at the end of the encounter. For the clock I just draw a rectangle put in numbers and tell them it's digital. I usually screw up the words. But some how I remember them for the next 3 weeks. The saving grace is you can get away with a lot of ******* that was a no no in younger years.

dbrownie 08-03-2023 03:08 AM

Any guess on which way the next AE is going?

The fall draw down on the ER is around the corner,

I have noticed plenty of senior FOs wanting to make the jump to

ER-A (anecdotally)

Still plenty of new hires in NY which is nice…all great guys so far.

Hope I can hold some intl this winter not just transcons.

The beer in Prague is awesome, forgot how much I like it.

The club beer ok in Ghana esp when it’s hot out.

FlexManFlex 08-03-2023 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by dbrownie (Post 3677178)
Any guess on which way the next AE is going?

The fall draw down on the ER is around the corner,

I have noticed plenty of senior FOs wanting to make the jump to

ER-A (anecdotally)

Still plenty of new hires in NY which is nice…all great guys so far.

Hope I can hold some intl this winter not just transcons.

The beer in Prague is awesome, forgot how much I like it.

The club beer ok in Ghana esp when it’s hot out.

Ummm this is a 67 thread, pal? May wanna start a new thread… ;)

Flexy is your guy to talk AEs!

The interesting part is the ER draw down is around the corner like you said and according to the new 339s next year. However, aren’t the 767s gonna be around for the next decade? Maybe they plan on shifting the international ER flying to transcons/Florida as the 339s continue to come?

BS said in his last memo that the new 339s will be replaced the ER and we will be getting NINE more in 2024 so this could add a lot NYC330 positions over the next few months. I expect this next AE to see its first NYC330B opening since January! Crazy to think it’s been 8 months…

The January AE had 17 330 spots go unfilled in NY so the company was smart and could lightly sprinkle those positions through the new hire classes to reduce training. But it’s about time we get a steady 15 330B positions. In fact, someone asked BS on Facebook this question and he responded with “expect a steady 10 to 20 330 crews added each month.” That’s double to triple what we’ve been seeing so far with these monthly bids. The 339s are coming and the fact is we need bodies to fly those so simple math says get those 330 bids in cause it’s a coming sooner than later!

Side note, he mentioned the 350B is staffed well so don’t expect any new openings on that until next year! Just backfills.

tcco94 08-03-2023 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by dbrownie (Post 3677178)
Any guess on which way the next AE is going?

The fall draw down on the ER is around the corner,

I have noticed plenty of senior FOs wanting to make the jump to

ER-A (anecdotally)

Still plenty of new hires in NY which is nice…all great guys so far.

Hope I can hold some intl this winter not just transcons.

The beer in Prague is awesome, forgot how much I like it.

The club beer ok in Ghana esp when it’s hot out.

There will be added international over the pacific as Tahiti begins and HNL-HND is actually selling tickets this time and at a pretty good pace. Probably will see more of this going to LAX crews, but could shift more HNL flying out to ATL/NYC again like this summer.

other thing to note now that I have noticed is LAX bid packets are doing a little bit of Europe still even through September with some of the Boston trips. I assume if HND actually comes back (either we do it or lose the slot now), we won’t be doing anymore Europe which will hand some back as well to NYC.

also - there will be some more augmented Hawaii with MSP/ATL-OGG beginning in the winter and so far both slated for the ER’s.

tcco94 08-03-2023 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by FlexManFlex (Post 3677213)
Ummm this is a 67 thread, pal? May wanna start a new thread… ;)

Flexy is your guy to talk AEs!

The interesting part is the ER draw down is around the corner like you said and according to the new 339s next year. However, aren’t the 767s gonna be around for the next decade? Maybe they plan on shifting the international ER flying to transcons/Florida as the 339s continue to come?

BS said in his last memo that the new 339s will be replaced the ER and we will be getting NINE more in 2024 so this could add a lot NYC330 positions over the next few months. I expect this next AE to see its first NYC330B opening since January! Crazy to think it’s been 8 months…

The January AE had 17 330 spots go unfilled in NY so the company was smart and could lightly sprinkle those positions through the new hire classes to reduce training. But it’s about time we get a steady 15 330B positions. In fact, someone asked BS on Facebook this question and he responded with “expect a steady 10 to 20 330 crews added each month.” That’s double to triple what we’ve been seeing so far with these monthly bids. The 339s are coming and the fact is we need bodies to fly those so simple math says get those 330 bids in cause it’s a coming sooner than later!

Side note, he mentioned the 350B is staffed well so don’t expect any new openings on that until next year! Just backfills.

I wouldn’t expect those 339’s to make a huge dent in ER flying so soon. Not in this market of international flying where everywhere has growth opportunities. And they aren’t going to just keep ERs to fly to Florida either, not for those prices. If you look at some route news announced so far there hasn’t been a huge net loss for Atlantic 2024 flying on the ER. A couple I’ve seen, but some added to ATL and of course if HND slot returns those are slated for ER’s which is a daily year-round service.

FlexManFlex 08-03-2023 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by tcco94 (Post 3677222)
I wouldn’t expect those 339’s to make a huge dent in ER flying so soon. Not in this market of international flying where everywhere has growth opportunities. And they aren’t going to just keep ERs to fly to Florida either, not for those prices. If you look at some route news announced so far there hasn’t been a huge net loss for Atlantic 2024 flying on the ER. A couple I’ve seen, but some added to ATL and of course if HND slot returns those are slated for ER’s which is a daily year-round service.

Ahhh good point. There is a lot of growth planned with new international routes so this makes a lot of sense. Do you think the 339 is a different market than the 767?

tunes 08-03-2023 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by tcco94 (Post 3677216)
There will be added international over the pacific as Tahiti begins and HNL-HND is actually selling tickets this time and at a pretty good pace. Probably will see more of this going to LAX crews, but could shift more HNL flying out to ATL/NYC again like this summer.

other thing to note now that I have noticed is LAX bid packets are doing a little bit of Europe still even through September with some of the Boston trips. I assume if HND actually comes back (either we do it or lose the slot now), we won’t be doing anymore Europe which will hand some back as well to NYC.

also - there will be some more augmented Hawaii with MSP/ATL-OGG beginning in the winter and so far both slated for the ER’s.

I think we should see east coast crews do HNL-HND...it's only fair since LAX crews come to the east coast to do Europe, right?


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