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Scoop 08-02-2023 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3676847)
The intercom handsets are accessible in the bunk. Bunks seem wider, but I haven't measured. USB charging and individual temp control IIRC in each bunk. Pilots can enter/exit simultaneously on four pilot ops. Rectangle not tapered at the feet. You can make the bed from a standing/leaning position vs crawling in on your hands and knees.


330-300 has enough headroom to sit up in the bunk and read, but it lacks an actual seat. The changing area outside of the bunk is separated from the FA bunks by a curtain.
330-200 has two chairs, two bunks and more standing room. It's a brutal commute all the way to the aft galley, but glorious once you get there.
330-900 has two bunks, two chairs, standing room of the -200 and is located in the middle of the plane.

Until the recent A350 mattress upgrade the 330 was ahead in that category as well, now they are even.

Not to mention the return trip. If you are on Break three you get a good opportunity to practice your "Cart Jousting" with the FAs. :D

Scoop

JamesBond 08-02-2023 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 3676847)
The intercom handsets are accessible in the bunk. Bunks seem wider, but I haven't measured. USB charging and individual temp control IIRC in each bunk. Pilots can enter/exit simultaneously on four pilot ops. Rectangle not tapered at the feet. You can make the bed from a standing/leaning position vs crawling in on your hands and knees.


330-300 has enough headroom to sit up in the bunk and read, but it lacks an actual seat. The changing area outside of the bunk is separated from the FA bunks by a curtain.
330-200 has two chairs, two bunks and more standing room. It's a brutal commute all the way to the aft galley, but glorious once you get there.
330-900 has two bunks, two chairs, standing room of the -200 and is located in the middle of the plane.

Until the recent A350 mattress upgrade the 330 was ahead in that category as well, now they are even.

Wait.. the junior guy in the crew doesn't make the bunks on the 330? 😂

Iceberg 08-02-2023 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3676828)
Nope. Align it with EKG requirements.

Thats called wishful thinking. You couldn’t make a huge change in regards to age limits and the associated tie in with cognitive decline without expecting a drastic change in the way pilot medicals are assessed.

JamesBond 08-02-2023 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3676948)
Thats called wishful thinking. You couldn’t make a huge change in regards to age limits and the associated tie in with cognitive decline without expecting a drastic change in the way pilot medicals are assessed.

There's precedence. Nothing changed when 65 happened with regard to medicals. If you add cognitive testing, there's no precedence to tie it only to 65+. It would be logical in a sense, but what's the logic behind EKGs at 40+?

Iceberg 08-02-2023 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3676952)
There's precedence. Nothing changed when 65 happened with regard to medicals. If you add cognitive testing, there's no precedence to tie it only to 65+. It would be logical in a sense, but what's the logic behind EKGs at 40+?

Fair point. My fault for trying to use logic with regards to law.

FangsF15 08-02-2023 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3676952)
There's precedence. Nothing changed when 65 happened with regard to medicals. If you add cognitive testing, there's no precedence to tie it only to 65+. It would be logical in a sense, but what's the logic behind EKGs at 40+?

The logic with EKG at 40+ is based on well established medical statistics and standards of care - well beyond anyone's expertise here. But I can at least say 20 y/o don't tend to have too many Myocardial Infarctions...

Jaww 08-02-2023 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3677009)
The logic with EKG at 40+ is based on well established medical statistics and standards of care - well beyond anyone's expertise here. But I can at least say 20 y/o don't tend to have too many Myocardial Infarctions...

Was this a jab reference? Where’s Drum to discuss the kompany. Or Margaritaville (or some version of that). It’s the APC of old!

JamesBond 08-02-2023 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3677009)
The logic with EKG at 40+ is based on well established medical statistics and standards of care - well beyond anyone's expertise here. But I can at least say 20 y/o don't tend to have too many Myocardial Infarctions...

Again then, what's the medical precedence for cognitive testing based only on age 65? They're are thousands of 65+ corporate pilots and they have very safe records. The safety argument is a very slippery slope. I would suggest cognitive testing at 50 if you really want to go down that road. That age makes as much sense as any.

JamesBond 08-02-2023 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3677011)
It’s the APC of old!

I wish. I miss Carl Spackler and a few others.

FangsF15 08-02-2023 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3677011)
Was this a jab reference? Where’s Drum to discuss the kompany. Or Margaritaville (or some version of that). It’s the APC of old!

No, not in the slightest. A Myocardial Infarction (MI) is medical-speak for heart attack.


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3677017)
Again then, what's the medical precedence for cognitive testing based only on age 65? They're are thousands of 65+ corporate pilots and they have very safe records. The safety argument is a very slippery slope. I would suggest cognitive testing at 50 if you really want to go down that road. That age makes as much sense as any.

I'm not arguing for or against cognitive testing. Though there are a few examples where it has been a legitimate issue (one pilot who was identified after suddenly poor performance/recall at CQ which resulted in an Alzheimer's diagnosis, sadly), the discussion is a distraction, frankly.

I was simply answering your question on the actual "logic" for requiring an EKG at 40, where there actually IS ample medical indication for why.


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