Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
07-21-2023, 05:58 AM
#3831
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Great, they can fly the domestic legs on the 764/330/350 and mentor the junior FOs who get it. They can put that experience to good use!
07-21-2023, 06:53 AM
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It’s effectively the same though. Pay half the category to sit reserve able to fly 0-10% of the rotations making 78 dollars a month? Again, a disaster for flight ops.
07-21-2023, 06:55 AM
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I heard that ICAO hasn't even started looking at this, and for them, 2 - 3 years would be blazing fast. This is going to shape up into an unholy mess. Unless that was the plan from the start.
07-21-2023, 07:07 AM
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Oh it will be a disaster for sure. But many of the loudest proponents of 67 make their money on pickups and overtime. They won’t be able to do that on WB categories, and would be restricted from a significant portion of trips on NB categories except the 220 and 717.
07-21-2023, 07:54 AM
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07-21-2023, 08:04 AM
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It won’t be a windfall of pay for no work like the vocal minority is so fond of. Remember the min balance plan?
07-21-2023, 08:07 AM
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As an academic discussion, it would be worth defining “slow down”. I’d argue just about everyone slows down in their march toward their seniority zenith. And of course if one is already at or near their zenith (let’s call them the cash-grabbers if they are the advocates), they will get a pause of up to two years in that prime spot.
People keep trying to console themselves with current movement, and I’d suggest that’s a dangerous distraction. The real and most destructive effect of 67 is to drag the promised land (which is different for everyone) two years to the right. Only if you’re already there is that a good thing.
Say you’ve been projecting yourself to be in the top 6-9% of seniority in your last two years with the company, and you like the prospects of where that puts you in your desired category… You can still have that, but you’ll wait two extra years to achieve it. That fact will never change no matter how much hiring we’re doing now, and no matter how much you do or don’t feel the effects of age 67 right now. And if you’re not going to “participate” in age 67 because you’ve planned and/or budgeted to walk at 65, your last two years will instead be perhaps 9-12% with corresponding hits to seniority and earnings potential. That could also affect your budgeting, of course. Perhaps you were going to be happy walking away at 60 because you’ll have TRICARE and your final two years were possibly going to be as a WBA plug or top-5 in some WBB seat? Now you’ll never touch WBA and you might instead sit 30 seats lower at WBB.
Don’t take your eyes off the ball because the sting is delayed, folks. Age 67 (and beyond) is crushing to the future you. Don’t give in while there’s still a fight to be fought.
People keep trying to console themselves with current movement, and I’d suggest that’s a dangerous distraction. The real and most destructive effect of 67 is to drag the promised land (which is different for everyone) two years to the right. Only if you’re already there is that a good thing.
Say you’ve been projecting yourself to be in the top 6-9% of seniority in your last two years with the company, and you like the prospects of where that puts you in your desired category… You can still have that, but you’ll wait two extra years to achieve it. That fact will never change no matter how much hiring we’re doing now, and no matter how much you do or don’t feel the effects of age 67 right now. And if you’re not going to “participate” in age 67 because you’ve planned and/or budgeted to walk at 65, your last two years will instead be perhaps 9-12% with corresponding hits to seniority and earnings potential. That could also affect your budgeting, of course. Perhaps you were going to be happy walking away at 60 because you’ll have TRICARE and your final two years were possibly going to be as a WBA plug or top-5 in some WBB seat? Now you’ll never touch WBA and you might instead sit 30 seats lower at WBB.
Don’t take your eyes off the ball because the sting is delayed, folks. Age 67 (and beyond) is crushing to the future you. Don’t give in while there’s still a fight to be fought.
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