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lake 07-19-2023 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by FlexManFlex (Post 3669053)
With the new planes next year the time to hold a WB will get less and less I think. It will however take a new hire today 8-10 years and that’s including the new planes. Did you see how many ATL CAs took the 350B? Almost every opening on the ATL350B was taken by current CAs. That’s crazy

If your a senior wide body B, it's a very good place to hang out for awhile. Great schedules, first up for long GS and get bought off some trips.

Meme In Command 07-19-2023 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by lake (Post 3669079)
If your a senior wide body B, it's a very good place to hang out for awhile. Great schedules, first up for long GS and get bought off some trips.

I thought WB FO's didn't get bought off, that the senior FO just gets another break because the LCA has to stay in the flight deck with the OE pilot.

Gone Flying 07-19-2023 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3669082)
I thought WB FO's didn't get bought off, that the senior FO just gets another break because the LCA has to stay in the flight deck with the OE pilot.

not sure on other fleets, but for the ER on a 3 pilot flight
-if it’s OE and the student has ever been qualified on the 7ER or the -400 at DL in either seat the senior FO gets bought .
-If it’s a theater qual for a CA the senior FO is usually bough off.

but if the student is new to the fleet it goes out as a 4 pilot flight with the breaks getting split in half instead of 3rds

if it’s a 4 pilot flight the senior FO is bought off regardless (330/350 only, no 4 pilot stuff on 767s except training)

samimifs 07-19-2023 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3669087)
not sure on other fleets, but for the ER on a 3 pilot flight
-if it’s OE and the student has ever been qualified on the 7ER or the -400 at DL in either seat the senior FO gets bought .
-If it’s a theater qual for a CA the senior FO is usually bough off.

but if the student is new to the fleet it goes out as a 4 pilot flight with the breaks getting split in half instead of 3rds

if it’s a 4 pilot flight the senior FO is bought off regardless (330/350 only, no 4 pilot stuff on 767s except training)


question: if I get awarded 220A nyc on this bid, can I bid again next month and get awarded 220A in SEA? And by the time I’m done with training just start out in sea instead of what I was originally awarded on this bid which is the 220 nyc

Gone Flying 07-19-2023 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by samimifs (Post 3669130)
question: if I get awarded 220A nyc on this bid, can I bid again next month and get awarded 220A in SEA? And by the time I’m done with training just start out in sea instead of what I was originally awarded on this bid which is the 220 nyc

yes and maybe.

yes a category freeze does not restrict your ability to change bases on the same aircraft and seat.

maybe, it depends when your training is scheduled and when you convert from NYC220 to SEA220 and more importantly if you even get SEA220A on the next bid.

as always BWYWWWYB. I would not bid NYC220A unless I was ok getting stuck there for the duration of my seat lock and then some.

Jaxs170 07-19-2023 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by samimifs (Post 3669130)
question: if I get awarded 220A nyc on this bid, can I bid again next month and get awarded 220A in SEA? And by the time I’m done with training just start out in sea instead of what I was originally awarded on this bid which is the 220 nyc

It's possible, but there is no way to know how quickly you will move from NYC to SEA.

Meme In Command 07-19-2023 02:13 PM

Say I got LAX7ERA this bid as my first upgrade with a projected training date of Nov 1st. can I bid in the Aug and/or Sep AE's and get awarded something else while I await training for a previous award? Trying to understand how this multiple AE award contract thing works.

samimifs 07-19-2023 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by Jaxs170 (Post 3669133)
It's possible, but there is no way to know how quickly you will move from NYC to SEA.

trying to decide whether I should just move to NYC or do the commute from Seattle for the time being until I can convert. I’m only a couple hundred numbers away from holding it in sea. Being so close makes the decision very difficult as to make the move or not.. I was looking at Kent CT, Long Island or jersey up there, just have to figure out what would be the best way to approach and find a decent place to live at least for a year

samimifs 07-19-2023 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3669137)
Say I got LAX7ERA this bid as my first upgrade with a projected training date of Nov 1st. can I bid in the Aug and/or Sep AE's and get awarded something else while I await training for a previous award? Trying to understand how this multiple AE award contract thing works.

that’s literally what I just asked above xD I think the answer is maybe, you can move bases as long as you can hold it in whatever other base but there might be a gap between once you convert from your original award and the time you convert from your second award. If that makes sense

Gone Flying 07-19-2023 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Meme In Command (Post 3669137)
Say I got LAX7ERA this bid as my first upgrade with a projected training date of Nov 1st. can I bid in the Aug and/or Sep AE's and get awarded something else while I await training for a previous award? Trying to understand how this multiple AE award contract thing works.

as I understand it just NYC and ATL 7ERA. The way I read the multiple award would be something more along the lines of you were awarded NYC330B on the last AE and on the subsequent AE were awarded NYC220A. you would only train for NYC220A. But because NYC220A is your first upgrade you are allowed to break your seat lock from 330B. I don’t think it allows you to break a category freeze for a reason other that what is already permitted under the PWA.

if you take first upgrade on the 7ER in LA, you will have either a 1 or 2 year seat lock tacked on to the remainder of your NH category freeze depending on if you are currently a ER FO. (I’m assuming you were hired post Covid and still have a NH freeze based on your post history, if I’m wrong I apologize) but because of that freeze would be ineligible to bid for another aircraft/seat.


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