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Old 07-08-2023, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

You need to be about 25 percent on overall list (4000 number) to hold 50 percent narrowbody captain anywhere but New York.


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Happily holding 50% in a non-NYC NB with far less overall seniority than that. But keep on thinking that
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Old 07-08-2023, 12:34 PM
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The list also exploded in size. We went from about 12,400 pilots at merger down to almost 10,000 pilots, then back up to 16,000 pilots. Did this by hiring 2,400 in one year. That lead to 6 month upgrades. The list will eventually stop growing and eventually shrink. I would bet we see furloughs in 10-15 years when the retirements slow down. We have been extremely fortunate to not have involuntary furloughs in over 15 years.

You need to be about 25 percent on overall list (4000 number) to hold 50 percent narrowbody captain anywhere but New York.

That’s a lot of years to be junior. Some with young kids will miss everything. Will be numerous divorces. It’s almost golden handcuffs.
I'm guessing you are either in ATL or MSP.
Check johnfbell.com or widgetseniority.com for accurate numbers.
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Old 07-08-2023, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
I'm guessing you are either in ATL or MSP.
Check johnfbell.com or widgetseniority.com for accurate numbers.
keep in mind that hockpilot has complained that theyre stuck in the right seat because they can’t hold 35% NB-A in ATL
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Old 07-08-2023, 01:49 PM
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Happily holding 50% in a non-NYC NB with far less overall seniority than that. But keep on thinking that
I feel like everyone forgets about DTW717
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Old 07-08-2023, 02:04 PM
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I feel like everyone forgets about DTW717
even on the 320, DTW’s 50% mark is about 1700 junior to what hockeypilot claimed
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Old 07-08-2023, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
even on the 320, DTW’s 50% mark is about 1700 junior to what hockeypilot claimed
The quote was 717A DTW. Thats a VERY different metric.
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Old 07-08-2023, 04:47 PM
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The quote was 717A DTW. Thats a VERY different metric.
yeah, I’m saying that in almost every base, hockeypilot’s assertion is wrong.
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Old 07-08-2023, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
You need to be about 25 percent on overall list (4000 number) to hold 50 percent narrowbody captain anywhere but New York..

5,000ish seniority. 52% in SLC...32%in LA 320A
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Old 07-08-2023, 06:40 PM
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I feel like everyone forgets about DTW717
Sshhhhhhhh
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Old 07-08-2023, 07:02 PM
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Someone mentioned it earlier today and I can’t find it for some reason but DTW350 used to be at like 250 pilots per position. What happened? The only route we don’t do is DTW-PEK. We have only 140 FOs now on that. Anyone know if I’m missing something?

Edit - It’s also doing CDG now too. Not sure if they did that before COVID. I just don’t understand how we are ~65% pacific when we are doing more South Pacific than ever and all of Asia is back expect Beijing.
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