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07-07-2023, 12:40 PM

#3501

Timbo

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Originally Posted by PilotBases

738s should be around for a while. Getting split winglets and trialing a drag mod package. Economy/traffic dependent.

And a tail wheel, right? ;-)

07-07-2023, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotBases

Buddy on da ‘bus said they’re getting upgraded avionics on some 320/319s, so perhaps the oldest are going, but I don’t think it’s anything en masse.

Yeah probably true for most fleets. Not in the short term anyways, especially with this demand.
And this is delta after all. They will say an airplane is being phased out and it will still fly for 10+ years until the market dictates its retirement lol

07-07-2023, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotBases

Buddy on da ‘bus said they’re getting upgraded avionics on some 320/319s, so perhaps the oldest are going, but I don’t think it’s anything en masse.

They were going to upgrade the MD-88’s and 90’s at one point. Had a flight trainer and everything. Not a single plane was updated.

07-07-2023, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo

And a tail wheel, right? ;-)

Oh, you’ve seen the Max10 designs then?

07-07-2023, 01:01 PM

#3505

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We were watching Burns' ops take today and 2 notes:

Next AE memo Wednesday July 12th

Also claiming they will be seeing less needs for bypass so BWYWWWYB

07-07-2023, 01:13 PM

#3506

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Originally Posted by Tropical

Guess they won't be flying to TN, TX, or FL any more.

😂😂😂

........filler

07-07-2023, 01:19 PM

#3507

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Originally Posted by JetPilotDaddy

We were watching Burns' ops take today and 2 notes:

Next AE memo Wednesday July 12th

Also claiming they will be seeing less needs for bypass so BWYWWWYB

Nice thanks! Does it sound like it’ll be smaller like the last one?

07-07-2023, 01:20 PM

#3508

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Originally Posted by PilotBases

Buddy on da ‘bus said they’re getting upgraded avionics on some 320/319s, so perhaps the oldest are going, but I don’t think it’s anything en masse.

The CRT screens aren’t manufactured anymore. So they have no choice but to upgrade them with LCD’s as the CRT’s die/dim. This will require a fairly significant rewire of the cockpit to accommodate them. While they are at it, they will put the 321 Wx radar in the 320/319, and retrofit CPDLC into many of them - some don’t have the architecture to upgrade.

I would suspect these oldest airframes (~40, mostly one’s with the super old crap seats) will be retired unless ticket traffic picks up so much they need them for a time.

The whole process will take at least 2 years to complete, even with a heavy effort. There is plenty of time to decide to keep/retire significant numbers.

As we have seen from the prior cabin refresh projects on the 777 and others, spending money doesn’t necessarily protect hulls.

07-07-2023, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FlexManFlex

Nice thanks! Does it sound like it’ll be smaller like the last one?

Yes. They are going to “monthly”, which requires they will nearly ALL be like the last one absent a 335-day AE. (Though, as I argued previously in posts 3393 & 3399, the last one was not ‘small’ by the standards of the last couple of pre-Covid years, it was actually on the larger side.)

I would expect around 400+/- vacancies. I would also expect the incremental/slow metering of WB B vancancies (vice a large “dump” in one AE). As they more “surgically” plan the training for each month’s conversions/training.

*edited* to add/refine.

Last edited by FangsF15; 07-07-2023 at 01:33 PM.

07-07-2023, 01:29 PM

#3510

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Originally Posted by FangsF15

Yes. They are going to monthly, which requires they will nearly ALL be like the last one. (Though, as I argued previously, the last one was not ‘small’ by the standards of the last couple of pre-Covid years.)

I would expect around 450+/- vacancies.

Agreed. He gave no indication besides they'll be working in tandem with training for sim availability.

My question is, could this be an indication for future indoc classes to know what their drop could be? For arguments sake if MSP320B had unbid openings last month but they didn't post any this month. Can they still offer those positions in August to newhires or only the most recent unbid openings?