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Old 06-27-2023, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Some of the worse FO's I've flown with were former regional captains. Especially ones with lots of time in the left seat at the regional. The best FO's are like about-time-to-fish, a former DAL captain, displaced to right seat. Mil folks are pretty good too once they get the 121 op understood. Even when green, once you get them off the ramp they are spectacular aviators with very high situational awareness.
I agree former regional captains can (possibly) make bad FOs, and some of the worse, but that's a small pile. Most benefit greatly from sitting in both seats of a 121 operation. HR aint perfect screening guys and between Compass flowthroughs and now EDV flows there's could be a mixed bag.

everyone has their 5% of guys, and if ur junior youre gonna fly with that 5% more often. Get them on the no fly and chill. Feel bad for the junior guys when hiring stops
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Old 06-27-2023, 01:34 PM
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I agree former regional captains can (possibly) make bad FOs, and some of the worse, but that's a small pile. Most benefit greatly from sitting in both seats of a 121 operation. HR aint perfect screening guys and between Compass flowthroughs and now EDV flows there's could be a mixed bag.

everyone has their 5% of guys, and if ur junior youre gonna fly with that 5% more often. Get them on the no fly and chill. Feel bad for the junior guys when hiring stops
Correct it is a small pile for sure. As is everything, same us for the captain side. captains don't have a "no fly" list for FOs.
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Old 06-27-2023, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
I agree former regional captains can (possibly) make bad FOs, and some of the worse, but that's a small pile. Most benefit greatly from sitting in both seats of a 121 operation. HR aint perfect screening guys and between Compass flowthroughs and now EDV flows there's could be a mixed bag.

everyone has their 5% of guys, and if ur junior youre gonna fly with that 5% more often. Get them on the no fly and chill. Feel bad for the junior guys when hiring stops
A common denominator I've noticed between mil and civilian guys is just guys that spent a long time in PIC positions in their previous life have a hard time adjusting to being an FO again. Whether it be a retired mil aircraft commander or a guy that spent a decade in the left seat of an RJ
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Old 06-27-2023, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Great example to discuss. Flight Ops had a say in how that company policy for blocking seats for FA safety was written. Both Flight Ops and In flight determined that those seats could be used for revenue passengers, but not for non-revs. That is not a CA's issue in my book, that is company policy. A bad one I would agree with you on that. If confronted with this scenario I would get on FF and start a convo with gate/OCC/Flight control. Maybe they will make an exception or maybe they will tell me to pound sand. I'd try at least. I'm looking at RG reversing that practice and letting us, like you indicated in your example, be able to make the call real time and get those non-revs on those blocked seats. Lets see if RG walk is like his talk.
This is what makes those seats the biggest joke of all. If someone is willing to pay to sit in them they will use them if the jet was going through a hurricane, safety be darned. But nice day with some non-revs? Nope. Either one way or the other, are they for safety or no?
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Old 06-27-2023, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Great example to discuss. Flight Ops had a say in how that company policy for blocking seats for FA safety was written. Both Flight Ops and In flight determined that those seats could be used for revenue passengers, but not for non-revs. That is not a CA's issue in my book, that is company policy. A bad one I would agree with you on that. If confronted with this scenario I would get on FF and start a convo with gate/OCC/Flight control. Maybe they will make an exception or maybe they will tell me to pound sand. I'd try at least. I'm looking at RG reversing that practice and letting us, like you indicated in your example, be able to make the call real time and get those non-revs on those blocked seats. Lets see if RG walk is like his talk.
Agree 100%. Some pilots erroneously blend company policy with Captain’s authority. Another good example is some foreign carriers allow Captain’s discretion on whoever rides the jumpseat, whether it be non revs, family, friends etc. Because of that generous policy, some say Captains authority in the US has diminished.
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Old 06-27-2023, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
This is what makes those seats the biggest joke of all. If someone is willing to pay to sit in them they will use them if the jet was going through a hurricane, safety be darned. But nice day with some non-revs? Nope. Either one way or the other, are they for safety or no?
Of course, safety comes first, right after revenue! 🤣
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Old 06-27-2023, 07:08 PM
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It’s gotta be today! I have a good feeling about it
Okay, tomorrow is definitely the day! I have an even better feeling about it
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Ohhh, sweet sweet torture!! It’s already 0653 and still no results!!

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Old 06-28-2023, 06:52 AM
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Ohhh, sweet sweet torture!! It’s already 0653 and still no results!!

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From Top Men!!

”JUNE AE BIDDING IS CLOSED. RESULTS WILL BE POSTED TO DLNET IN THE COMING DAYS.”
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From Top Men!!

”JUNE AE BIDDING IS CLOSED. RESULTS WILL BE POSTED TO DLNET IN THE COMING DAYS.”
​​​​​​Pulling the bandaid off one A-R-M H-A-I-R at a time.
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