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06-22-2023, 12:29 PM

#3221

Tropical

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Originally Posted by CruJones

specifically their hire date was 7/26/22, exactly one year of service on the published closing date. Whoever predicted this new method of AE construction to be the “fix” for newbs going to CA got that one right. Here’s your gold star ⭐️

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Originally Posted by Tropical

Sounds like Bob figured out a way to stop the CA awards to first year pilots, which is something my management buddies say the 4th floor has been very concerned about.

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That was me.

06-22-2023, 12:30 PM

#3222

Jaww

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Originally Posted by Meme In Command

Idk about ATL. Only 3 actual NB A positions posted on the AE and most junior ATL A minus the 717 went to a 9800 number.

Fixed it for you.

06-22-2023, 12:31 PM

#3223

Iceberg

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Originally Posted by Tropical

That was me.

Congratulations…

06-22-2023, 12:32 PM

#3224

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Originally Posted by Meme In Command

Idk about ATL. Only 3 actual NB A positions posted on the AE and most junior ATL A went to a 9800 number.

717 went a bit lower, a few post Covid hires snuck in. but yeah junior ATL ER A went to 8 years (7400) with 73N going to 9 years (6600) and junior 320 going to a pre 9/11 hire

06-22-2023, 12:58 PM

#3225

NuGuy

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Originally Posted by Planetrain

Widebody A wall holding around 28XX. 1998 fDAL hire date.

FIFY.

1998 fNWA side is up to 1000 numbers higher.

06-22-2023, 01:09 PM

#3226

m3113n1a1

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My bet is the actual results go more junior to this snapshot. They didn't award any bypasses on this one obviously because they don't want to encourage bidding based on a bypass, but I'm sure they will award some on the actual bid. So this will create more WB A vacancies and it'll cascade down the list.

Also, for what it's worth, United's bids usually end up more junior than their snapshots show for some reason. Maybe guys pull their bids last minute, idk.

06-22-2023, 01:41 PM

#3227

tcco94

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

I’m looking at the report card and widebody A and B’s were backfilled?

06-22-2023, 01:48 PM

#3228

m3113n1a1

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Originally Posted by tcco94

I’m looking at the report card and widebody A and B’s were backfilled?

Yeah there were backfills on this snapshot..not sure where they all were, but my category had secondary vacancies filled for sure.

06-22-2023, 01:51 PM

#3229

nene

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Originally Posted by tcco94

I’m looking at the report card and widebody A and B’s were backfilled?

Where is the dry run posted?

06-22-2023, 01:53 PM

#3230

FangsF15

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Originally Posted by myrkridia

Personally the DOH/time has only ever mattered as a metric if hiring was consistent for an extended period of time. The seniority number and perhaps a percentage are all we should care about imo.

Oh, I totally agree. I've always advocated going by overall percentage (or similar) for analysis of "what can I hold" and when. I'm simply noting how there are only 1500 numbers between a 99 hire and a 2014 hire. 15 years for 1500 numbers. (Which is literally the last 7 months of hiring.).

But it also means when WB A does hit those folks, the DOH date to hold it will drop rapidly. I've said before I predict the only thing that will lower the WB A "wall" is additional pay-banded WB's on property. All through the Pre-Covid through Post Covid seniority swings, the WB A seniority never changed all that much.