Buck Rogers

I would have paid a little more and gotten a good education or I'd ask for a refund on your "decent" education. Because if you can't see that pay banding hurt the #1 pilot(stovepipe and hurt relative to the least wage % gain/hr) and helps the #16000 pilots for a 35 year career then you are being disingenuous, obtuse, myopic, biased, or your good is letting you down.

Since it "ridiculous and obvious", maybe you can explain it to me. I must be missing something.

trd270

Swear I clicked on the AE thread….

tcco94

bro forums always get off topic

TED74

I honestly can’t see it. Who is the #1 pilot? Did he get a 24% raise on the 330 or 18% on 7ER? Did the #100 pilot get a larger or smaller percentage raise than the #1000 pilot? Will the #10,000 pilot be injured more or less than the #6,000 pilot when the former will see seniority stifled on the 330 while the latter will see a seniority boost on the 350? If I’m the #5 pilot with two years to go on the 330, did pay banding help or hurt me since I no longer need to retrain to achieve the top pay rate? If I’m #2000 and happy as a clam as 717A, did pay banding help or hurt me when it clears out 20 above me who jump to the 320?

Pay banding was being floated as a give to management, but you’re saying it’s a benefit to those who will be here the longest? Which is it?

I’m middle of the road in a category that benefited nicely, eyeballing a move to a category that got “shafted”. Did the current me benefit, while the future me took a hit, or is everything just based on my relative seniority in a list of 16,000?

What’s ridiculous is trying to broad-brush a non-uniform pay increase as universally good or bad for someone based on their hire date. The rules changed for everyone at exactly the same moment. What’s obvious is that if I have more years working under a positive I will net more positive than someone with fewer years and the same benefit. As you know, I will work under stupid sick leave verification policies for much longer than you will, but I don’t feel unfairly treated as a function of age or seniority. We all work under the same policy at the same time.

If you want to talk about a seniority block getting shafted, let’s figure out why those on the list have MBCBP optionality and newbies will not.

Buck Rogers

Well, that was unintelligible. Let's start with the term stovepipe, which I caveated in my explanation. Do you know what that means.?

With that as a basis, please try again.

BTW, nowhere did I say or allude that it wasn't the best for the groups as a whole. But it was bestest for the most junior pilots and insignificant for the senior pilots(as a general rule, not as as a specific case by case basis due to one's choices)

Can you limit your discussion to just the one I was trying to discuss that you said was basically ridiculous and patently false(or something like that)?

m3113n1a1

Classic victim mentality. Someone else got "more" (debatable because the number 1 seniority guy can bid whatever category he wants), therefore I'm "hurt."

Scoop

We have way more Pilots at the top rate - clearly pay banding greatly benefits the Pilot group as a whole.

Scoop

theUpsideDown

come for the AE stay for the "is the Miata and my weedwacker a sportscar" justifications.

FangsF15

No prognosticating from me, but this is definitely possible. That's 4500 numbers off the bottom, and a little better than 75% in the company. Even on a small bid like this one, there might be a few go that 'deep'.

Not a chance, IMO. There are literally 99 NB Captain vacancies on the AE, total (not including the 16 ER's in LAX to 'offset' the 16 MD's in SEA). I think a lot of folks will be surprised how much more senior the few NB A's and especially WB B's go this AE than recent past.

That said, always put a bid in if you a willing to do it. You can't get it if you don't ask for it. There are ALWAYS backfills in categories that don't have a posted vacancy. Always.

Whoopsmybad

Dont pretend you wouldn’t be saying the same thing if you were in their shoes. Come on man. Everyone wants to do what is best for them.

And not arguing for Age 67, just don’t throw stones.