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Old 06-17-2023, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tcco94
Absolutely comical comment. We aren’t even adequately staffed today let alone any growth at all. Sure the hiring numbers will come down. Then kick the can down the road a year and suddenly our hair is on fire and we are back to talking about 500+ retiring a year. It’s not going to be this dramatic. 60-65 was a totally different ballgame than the current scenario of 65-67. We would need age 67 + economic slowdown causing lack of travel to really make the music stop. And again that would be on borrowed time and you snap your fingers we are back to where we are today. That’s even assuming a high % go to 67 as an active pilot in the line. When I was hired very early 2020, alpa said retirement avg was still a couple years shy of 65 anyways. Then throw in some added disability, how much will this age 67 even impact?
Oh please. Do you really think they're going to stop at 67? If it goes through, in 2 years these same people will all be calling us "ageist" again and clamoring for 70 or no limit at all. Greed knows no bounds.

Also in case you didn't notice global economics are slowing down.

Management is going to buy time with small AEs until things are more certain. They definitely didn't decide to do it because we want it, it just benefits them now.
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Old 06-17-2023, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Tropical
Oh please. Do you really think they're going to stop at 67? If it goes through, in 2 years these same people will all be calling us "ageist" again and clamoring for 70 or no limit at all. Greed knows no bounds.

Also in case you didn't notice global economics are slowing down.

Management is going to buy time with small AEs until things are more certain. They definitely didn't decide to do it because we want it, it just benefits them now.
Depends on what economics you want to discuss are slowing down because a lot of the economy is showing a lot of resilience right now across many industries. Despite the APC economists certainty that it isn’t. Now it’s age 70+! Where does it end? 80? Infinity? This is the **** on the forums people can’t stand.
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Old 06-17-2023, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tropical
Oh please. Do you really think they're going to stop at 67? If it goes through, in 2 years these same people will all be calling us "ageist" again and clamoring for 70 or no limit at all. Greed knows no bounds.

Also in case you didn't notice global economics are slowing down.

Management is going to buy time with small AEs until things are more certain. They definitely didn't decide to do it because we want it, it just benefits them now.
no…we won’t stop at 67. Any age is discriminatory. Greed? No more so than the junior guys who want me to get out of their way.
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Old 06-17-2023, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rinaldi
no…we won’t stop at 67. Any age is discriminatory. Greed? No more so than the junior guys who want me to get out of their way.
the “GREED!” folks need to step out of their shoes and realize taking the anti POV is also based in greed. It’s like the “so you think you’re better than me” types not realizing they are saying they are in fact better when they try to spout that nonsense.
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Old 06-17-2023, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tcco94
Absolutely comical comment. We aren’t even adequately staffed today let alone any growth at all. Sure the hiring numbers will come down. Then kick the can down the road a year and suddenly our hair is on fire and we are back to talking about 500+ retiring a year. It’s not going to be this dramatic. 60-65 was a totally different ballgame than the current scenario of 65-67. We would need age 67 + economic slowdown causing lack of travel to really make the music stop. And again that would be on borrowed time and you snap your fingers we are back to where we are today. That’s even assuming a high % go to 67 as an active pilot in the line. When I was hired very early 2020, alpa said retirement avg was still a couple years shy of 65 anyways. Then throw in some added disability, how much will this age 67 even impact?
In response to your idea of management being proactive towards staffing, I’m going to point to the poorly handled recovery from covid that you witnessed, and the 2018 “RG found 800 pilots worth of efficiencies” hiring stop that could have been recovered from with the covid slowdown but sadly (and not unexpectedly) was another missed opportunity in the adequate staffing mystery that continues to confound the 4th floor.

At least RG is back to “save” the day once more.
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Old 06-17-2023, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rinaldi
no…we won’t stop at 67. Any age is discriminatory. Greed? No more so than the junior guys who want me to get out of their way.
How do prefer being told you’re no longer capable of performing your job safely? What testing and observations do you expect to be subjected to? Is this the purpose of the flight deck cameras?
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Old 06-17-2023, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rinaldi
no…we won’t stop at 67. Any age is discriminatory. Greed? No more so than the junior guys who want me to get out of their way.
At this point, one of the reasons I want to upgrade is so that I don’t have to deal with my Captain dropping dead on me.

Age 67 is all about greed.
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Old 06-17-2023, 10:05 PM
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So, did an AE post this weekend or not?

I feel like a good nugget from BS was missed. Apparently he said on SkyNet that he is literally planning monthly AEs with a similar cadence of Mid month posting and end of month awards for training in two months.

Discuss.
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Old 06-17-2023, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rinaldi
no…we won’t stop at 67. Any age is discriminatory. Greed? No more so than the junior guys who want me to get out of their way.
Do you understand how seniority progression works? Or are you conveniently ignoring the fact that someone had to vacate the seat you have now for you to occupy it? But sure, it wasn't greed when you took it but NOW it's totally greed because it's someone else's turn...

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Old 06-17-2023, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
Do you understand how seniority progression works? Or are you conveniently ignoring the fact that someone had to vacate the seat you have now for you to occupy it? But sure, it wasn't greed when you took it but NOW it's totally greed because it's someone else's turn...

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It wasn't greed because his struggles earned him that entitlement. /s
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