Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
06-17-2023, 03:25 PM
#3072
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Right. And of course they were aware of the fleet breakdown when they first considered it and still wanted to do. So one would think streamlining it; particularly with the 737 and 320 so that it does work would be the solution. United can figure out how to open MCO and LAS but we cant make BOS work. Before we couldn’t even compete in the market; gave it all to B6 along with half our terminal that we built to our competitors. Now at least we compete for the market but no follow through with a pilot base. #Delta
06-17-2023, 03:31 PM
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I guess stuff ebbs and flows, but to the dreamers about a 2023/24 wall to fall, no way; not unless we bought some used airframes that come on line quick.
Even IF a big Paris order, new airframes don’t show up in 12 months. At best, they show up coincidentally right around the time the wall falls, maybe 3 years.
06-17-2023, 03:53 PM
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As for MIA/FLL, I have learned my lesson and will ignore talk of any other base openings unless they actually open…and don’t get closed all of a sudden by ALPA right after being opened.
06-17-2023, 04:06 PM
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You are clearly unbothered and you’re not wrong about it being a business decision. Be that as it may, on this forum, on occasion we do compare our air line to others.
As for MIA/FLL, I have learned my lesson and will ignore talk of any other base openings unless they actually open…and don’t get closed all of a sudden by ALPA right after being opened.
As for MIA/FLL, I have learned my lesson and will ignore talk of any other base openings unless they actually open…and don’t get closed all of a sudden by ALPA right after being opened.
Sorry about BOS, I was fairly surprised at its abandonment. Reminds me of the LAX 220 to SLC 220 switcharoo.
06-17-2023, 04:19 PM
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I see that now. A few months ago, system wide NYC had the lowest and to get it consistently on your line it was about 4000. Maybe summer has it a little higher than spring did.
I guess stuff ebbs and flows, but to the dreamers about a 2023/24 wall to fall, no way; not unless we bought some used airframes that come on line quick.
Even IF a big Paris order, new airframes don’t show up in 12 months. At best, they show up coincidentally right around the time the wall falls, maybe 3 years.
I guess stuff ebbs and flows, but to the dreamers about a 2023/24 wall to fall, no way; not unless we bought some used airframes that come on line quick.
Even IF a big Paris order, new airframes don’t show up in 12 months. At best, they show up coincidentally right around the time the wall falls, maybe 3 years.
By the end of 2024, the seniority at the wall is 4,100. We have 16 Airbus widebody deliveries next year which requires 250 more WBA slots. That drops the WBA plug 500-750 numbers, low enough to cross 4,100.
06-17-2023, 04:43 PM
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Absolutely comical comment. We aren’t even adequately staffed today let alone any growth at all. Sure the hiring numbers will come down. Then kick the can down the road a year and suddenly our hair is on fire and we are back to talking about 500+ retiring a year. It’s not going to be this dramatic. 60-65 was a totally different ballgame than the current scenario of 65-67. We would need age 67 + economic slowdown causing lack of travel to really make the music stop. And again that would be on borrowed time and you snap your fingers we are back to where we are today. That’s even assuming a high % go to 67 as an active pilot in the line. When I was hired very early 2020, alpa said retirement avg was still a couple years shy of 65 anyways. Then throw in some added disability, how much will this age 67 even impact?
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