Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
06-17-2023, 05:11 AM
#3052
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If you stop and consider that going from 210 days to 150 days for the standard conversion window, you've reduced the potential training footprint by almost a third. That's quite a bit of training bandwidth lost per AE.
06-17-2023, 05:37 AM
#3053
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What’s interesting is the memo states “expect current Delta pilots to train in September.” I wonder how accurate that’ll be? That’s nice that they put that on there so it rules out July and august training most likely for those needing days off.
06-17-2023, 06:37 AM
#3054
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RG never got canned. Being sent to run the OCC and optimize their processes isn't being fired. He was building his leadership resume within flight ops, in prep to eventually becoming SVP of Flight Ops, Jim Graham's old role (his former boss). Only pilots perceived the OCC as a demotion.. it was just grooming.
06-17-2023, 06:44 AM
#3055
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It's refreshing to see reason and logic.
06-17-2023, 06:56 AM
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After a good night’s sleep, I think this AE situation could be a great thing. Underwhelming but a good thing. With retirements and the growth we are gonna have next year (NINE 330s and SEVEN 350s) they will have no choice but to post another AE in August. And I bet that one will be smaller too which means they will have to post another one in October. See where I’m going with this?
The numbers are facts. 2024 aircraft delivery’s are going to be insane, especially WBs. I know the company has been saying “smaller and more frequent AEs” in the past and then not doing that but now, with the AE they posted yesterday, sets them up for doing just that. They won’t have a choice but to post another AE in august. The numbers do not allow it otherwise.
Why is this good news? Training will become more consistent and easier to predict moving forward. If you have a vacation planned for end of July/August/early September this year. DO NOT BID. Wait until the August AE which will allow you to go to training end of September/October/November. The 150 day AEs will make every AE look similar to the one yesterday.
This is what we’ve all wanted. I was very bummed yesterday with this AE but now I truly think this is a great thing moving forward. Welcome to the new world of Delta AEs. Smaller and more frequent AEs! Easier to predict, easier for life events, less movement (only negative) but I think there are so many more positives!
The numbers are facts. 2024 aircraft delivery’s are going to be insane, especially WBs. I know the company has been saying “smaller and more frequent AEs” in the past and then not doing that but now, with the AE they posted yesterday, sets them up for doing just that. They won’t have a choice but to post another AE in august. The numbers do not allow it otherwise.
Why is this good news? Training will become more consistent and easier to predict moving forward. If you have a vacation planned for end of July/August/early September this year. DO NOT BID. Wait until the August AE which will allow you to go to training end of September/October/November. The 150 day AEs will make every AE look similar to the one yesterday.
This is what we’ve all wanted. I was very bummed yesterday with this AE but now I truly think this is a great thing moving forward. Welcome to the new world of Delta AEs. Smaller and more frequent AEs! Easier to predict, easier for life events, less movement (only negative) but I think there are so many more positives!
If Age 67 passes we are overstaffed, even with growth forecast. The music stops.
06-17-2023, 07:00 AM
#3057
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I'm not seeing that. Slow down, yes. All stop. Not so much. We are hiring 2000 a year and retiring 500. So we still need 1500 a year. Even if they pull back to hiring 1000 a year, we still would need 500.
06-17-2023, 09:00 AM
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IF (big IF) they go to monthly AEs then a July AE would have October as primary training month and an August AE would primarily train in November. Not only do those timelines make a lot of sense from the bid-to-train standpoint, but with most instructors going back to schoolhouse in October and November (per the AE memo) that would indicate that the next couple AEs will be much larger than this AE, even though small compared to previous MOABs.
The proof equation would be the new hire positions. This bid will create ~400 FO positions (unbid posted or secondaries) for new hires. At 200/month that gives them offerings in July and a little bit of August, but we know they don’t want to scrape the barrel and offer to new hires positions that might be inconvenient to train.
I expect next AE mid July to mid August. And that AE will be about 1/8th-1/10th the size of previous MOABs, which will still be a big bid IF it’s a monthly thing going forward.
06-17-2023, 10:40 AM
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2800-2900 for 330/350/765 A.
Even though the airline is getting bigger, the number of WB aircraft is not appreciably growing. All I see are replacements. IF the 767s truly get cabin mods, they are down for mx as we get deliveries. Your % to hold will go down to smaller % (numerator to hold remains the same as denominator gets bigger). Age 67 won’t help. An early 2007 hire doesn’t hit 3500 until late 2025/early 2026.
Last edited by Planetrain; 06-17-2023 at 10:59 AM.
06-17-2023, 10:54 AM
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You basically need 4000 seniority to fly ER transatlantic.
2800-2900 for 330/350/765 A.
Even though the airline is getting bigger, the number of WB aircraft is not appreciably growing. All I see is replacements. Your % to hold will go down to smaller %. Age 67 won’t help. An early 2017 hire doesn’t hit 3500 until late 2025/early 2026.
2800-2900 for 330/350/765 A.
Even though the airline is getting bigger, the number of WB aircraft is not appreciably growing. All I see is replacements. Your % to hold will go down to smaller %. Age 67 won’t help. An early 2017 hire doesn’t hit 3500 until late 2025/early 2026.
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