Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
06-11-2023, 07:30 PM
#2671
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What range issues does the ER have? Lol. I seem to be able to fly it pretty nicely on 12.5 hour flights full of paxs and cargo? It’s easily replaced 330s and -400’s on routes quite a bit and some seasonal.
339s and 350s have some range issues on certain routes. I think it’s easier to point out the age of the ER instead of some false rhetoric about its abilities. It’s still a huge flex fleet for the airline on maybe 90%+ of the routes we fly.
I think it’s easier to
339s and 350s have some range issues on certain routes. I think it’s easier to point out the age of the ER instead of some false rhetoric about its abilities. It’s still a huge flex fleet for the airline on maybe 90%+ of the routes we fly.
I think it’s easier to
The 350 seems to be struggling to replace the 777 and the 330-900 does not seem to have the range the 787 offers. But it can probably do everything an ER can.
06-11-2023, 07:33 PM
#2672
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Total noob question…why was the 777 retired? Seems like such a capable airframe.
06-11-2023, 07:48 PM
#2674
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That's a pretty simpleton explanation. We had a handful of the 777-200LR's. There were only 60 ever built because it was a heavy expensive jet to fly that was designed to fly the ultra ultra long haul. No other US carrier ever purchasThere were only two to three routes it was needed for...way too much jet for most of what it was flown on. We needed a long haul fleet of size and the 350 was the choice over the 787. So now we will go from a fleet of 17ish 777's to 65 A-350's with the eventual A-350-1000 order. It was a long term strategic decision that they played a few years early because of covid. The 777 was a fleet that was never going to grow since the 777X is so delayed and too big of a jet most likely.
06-11-2023, 08:13 PM
#2675
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That's a pretty simpleton explanation. We had a handful of the 777-200LR's. There were only 60 ever built because it was a heavy expensive jet to fly that was designed to fly the ultra ultra long haul. No other US carrier ever purchasThere were only two to three routes it was needed for...way too much jet for most of what it was flown on. We needed a long haul fleet of size and the 350 was the choice over the 787. So now we will go from a fleet of 17ish 777's to 65 A-350's with the eventual A-350-1000 order. It was a long term strategic decision that they played a few years early because of covid. The 777 was a fleet that was never going to grow since the 777X is so delayed and too big of a jet most likely.
They sped the retirement due to a 4th floor forecast that told them no would travel for years and we would need only 7000 pilots. Knee jerk reaction, one of many, that we have been struggling to overcome.
06-11-2023, 08:13 PM
#2676
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Ah I misread it then. Yeah ERs are junky old and guzzle has but still performing quite well. The updated first cabins with premium select make it a little better
06-12-2023, 03:51 AM
#2678
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If this is a bid of actual size (and bodies needed) I really think WBB will be senior, NBA will remain very junior, and the WBA wall will collapse into 2014. Very junior collapse but few want to be junior and bid by percentage. Someone is willing and hits the metric. Not I, me, or myself… but someone likely in the 7-8k range will get it in for the “bottom”.
765 will be the first to hit 5,000 CAs and that’ll happen end of next year as the current 765 CAs jump ship to the 330 (kind of a stretch I know). We’re gonna be at 17,000 pilots by next summer and NBAs will continue to drop down to 16,000 ish while WBB maybe hits 13,000, only because the 330 and 350 will be growing.
I don’t see any current WBB jumping ship to NBA. It’ll be interesting to see what the next couple of years offer! We have to be careful about how the economic fears affect us too but so far it doesn’t seem to be slowing down anytime soon.
06-12-2023, 04:26 AM
#2679
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I agree with you. I can see WBB going to down to only about 11,000 in this next AE. Maybe NYC330B hits 12,000 but I doubt even that. NBA will go down to 15,000 at least. WBA will stay roughly the same until we get into the 2025 timeframe with another 10 airframes on the 330/350.
765 will be the first to hit 5,000 CAs and that’ll happen end of next year as the current 765 CAs jump ship to the 330 (kind of a stretch I know). We’re gonna be at 17,000 pilots by next summer and NBAs will continue to drop down to 16,000 ish while WBB maybe hits 13,000, only because the 330 and 350 will be growing.
I don’t see any current WBB jumping ship to NBA. It’ll be interesting to see what the next couple of years offer! We have to be careful about how the economic fears affect us too but so far it doesn’t seem to be slowing down anytime soon.
765 will be the first to hit 5,000 CAs and that’ll happen end of next year as the current 765 CAs jump ship to the 330 (kind of a stretch I know). We’re gonna be at 17,000 pilots by next summer and NBAs will continue to drop down to 16,000 ish while WBB maybe hits 13,000, only because the 330 and 350 will be growing.
I don’t see any current WBB jumping ship to NBA. It’ll be interesting to see what the next couple of years offer! We have to be careful about how the economic fears affect us too but so far it doesn’t seem to be slowing down anytime soon.
Unless the positions are lower than expected but based on hiring numbers they say they want it seems like it won’t be
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