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Old 06-09-2023, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
AA does only have four fleet types.
777
787
320
737

Whereas DL
350
330
765
7ER
737
320
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717
Ah, good point. I forgot they got rid of the Maddogs, 330's and 757's. I stand corrected. Maybe the SLC sims will alleviate some of the training churn over time.
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Old 06-09-2023, 02:50 PM
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Ah, good point. I forgot they got rid of the Maddogs, 330's and 757's. I stand corrected. Maybe the SLC sims will alleviate some of the training churn over time.
They also dumped the ERJs during COVID.
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Old 06-09-2023, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
AA does only have four fleet types.
777
787
320
737

Whereas DL
350
330
765
7ER
737
320
220
717
I get what you are saying, but just as a counterpoint, delta management choosing to have an eclectic fleet is management’s choice. AA has more aircraft than us and does so with 4 fleet types. Just because we like ordering one of everything should not preclude pilots from having predictability in our bidding.
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Old 06-09-2023, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
You’ve all heard the acronym, DELTA= Does Everything Like The Amish.
Amazing they can get that horse and buggy to VR.
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Old 06-10-2023, 05:58 AM
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Amazing they can get that horse and buggy to VR.
You have to feed the horses Beef-a-Reno !

https://youtu.be/Y2TMsozaPXo
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Old 06-10-2023, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
I get what you are saying, but just as a counterpoint, delta management choosing to have an eclectic fleet is management’s choice. AA has more aircraft than us and does so with 4 fleet types. Just because we like ordering one of everything should not preclude pilots from having predictability in our bidding.
Those excess fleet types are what drives the excessive juniority and inefficiency ..... If we had one WB option and two NB options, then pilots would be on here complaining about the eternally long times to make it to WB fleets. So best you can do is enjoy the inefficiencies and let mgmt figure out how to bring metal to the tarmac at the right price.
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Old 06-10-2023, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
I’d also rather work here, but if it’s true AA runs monthly AE’s, that dispels the myth that monthly AE’s are a regional/ULCC thing and our fleet is too complex.
I don’t think CR has ever implied the complexity of the fleet drives less frequent AEs. They just think their big ones save training costs. That may or may not be true, although it’s plausible since you essentially stretch out seat locks when AE frequency drops. Since it’s unknowable how things would have played out with monthly AEs, the company is left to inflate their own confidence in the path they took and their “data-driven” metrics. IMHO they think pretty highly of their decision processes…despite (again, IMHO) their frequent and consistent mistakes and misjudgments.
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Old 06-10-2023, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
AA does only have four fleet types.
777
787
320
737

Whereas DL
350
330
765
7ER
737
320
220
717
NWA had just as diverse a fleet, some had 3 man crews AND had separate block and reserve categories, and they were somehow able to run them every month with 2 clerks and a manager.

And somehow they managed to pump out far more information about the bidding situation.

And they had to manage a TDY system that ran monthly on top of that.

No, the reason it is the way it is is because they think it gives them some kind of operational/psychological advantage. Like making you actually call a person to call in sick.
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Old 06-10-2023, 06:31 AM
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Delta could easily reduce the training churn by pay banding all the narrow body jets like they just did with the 767-4/330/350, which removed the pay incentive to jump from one fleet to the next. I wish they had added the 76/75 fleet to the upper pay band, but it’s a start in the right direction.
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Old 06-10-2023, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
I get what you are saying, but just as a counterpoint, delta management choosing to have an eclectic fleet is management’s choice. AA has more aircraft than us and does so with 4 fleet types. Just because we like ordering one of everything should not preclude pilots from having predictability in our bidding.
In our respective mainline fleets, per Wikipedia, we have 949 aircraft, while AA has 943 aircraft. Therefore, we have slightly more aircraft than AA and I believe we are going to continue to grow mainline at a pace faster than they will. AA still has a love affair with their regional operation.
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