gloopy

I hadn't heard that but it seems like a high number after all the hiring since the lase AE. If so, however, that makes the rumored June AE fit nicely into their plans. There's no reason we shold be angsting about not having an AE every 15 minutes.

tcco94

Correct me if I’m wrong here but last contract only required them to post displacements and they didn’t have to award them. The new contract closed this loophole and now they have to be awarded as well. Not sure of implementation. I may be off on this but I thought I remember reading about this.

I remember the Apr2021 AE had SEA7ER displacements then they grew the base on the AE award…

always get caught with the WWYBBWYW

TED74

If they release an AE in mid-June, it’ll be five and a half months after their previous AE. This is during a time of (by my knowledge) record hiring that also exceeds the company’s projections from only a few months ago. As far as I know, this is the longest delay between AEs in a decade, and it follows comments by management that they intended to try smaller and more frequent AEs since the MOA(X)s have proven themselves to be unwise.

Do I want one every 15 minutes? No. Do I stupidly expect the company to follow through on their projections and stop screwing the pooch every time their projections are wrong? Perhaps. I know - I just fly airplanes and if there was a better way to be doing business Delta would already be doing it…

Gunfighter

Management's lack of accurate planning and execution creates plenty of opportunity for financial gain. Do your part and provide an increased cost metric and/or reduced productivity metric made possible by poor AE planning.

TED74

There’s surely something to be said for all of that. But in my dream world, pilots have more frequent opportunities for career and life choices, not fewer.

FangsF15

The root cause of the looong gap is minimizingi/limiting training during the summer to (not much more than) new hires and CQ, so they can surge nearly all the SLI’s to the line to “capture revenue”. It’s really that simple.

FlexManFlex

Agreed. This is a good lesson to make sure to bid what you want and don’t wait it out. Who knows, the next gap may be 9-12 months before the next AE. I’m definitely not going to take these for granted anymore.

tennisguru

This is going to be one of the most interesting AE's in a while. 6 months between conversions means close to 1000 pilots hired last year have come off their 12 month lock, and maybe nearly as many coming off their 24 month lock. Plus the ~1000 who have been hired this year since the last AE looking for base changes. Plus this is the first post-new-PWA AE so you may have a number of people chasing the shiny new pay rates. I could see recent new hires unable to hold transfers to some other bases (MSP, SEA) whereas in the past there were excess openings basically everywhere. Probably the biggest variable will be FO's in the 2-7 year seniority range (8000-12000?) and whether there's a large movement towards NBA seats vs WBB, or both, or none. Whichever one(s) they don't flock towards will be what drops towards the just-out-of-indoc group.

higney85

Yup. Many in your 8-10k assessment that I have talked with say the same. WBB or NBA with a percentage seems to be the mindset. It’ll be an interesting bid. Still don’t know how we make it through the summer though on the NB side (both seats). We thought summer 19 was rough, it’s looking far “hotter” going into things. The curious point becomes what happens to trips in August. More PWA provisions hit, but we aren’t hiring more with Sli’s to the line. So either NB trips (the same we have) will have a good bit of extra pay, or will change drastically (resulting in more pilots needed, or being even more short in staffing; if that’s possible). WBB will get some going QOL, NBA will be pay. In the end, it’s obvious we still need people in seats that aren’t online.

Meme In Command

IM still trying to wrap my head around how many pilots we've hired in the past year and noticing no improvement whatsoever in NB trips or staffing compared to last summer.