Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
12-07-2022, 06:11 AM
#221
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it already is the most senior. Most of these hypotheses never come to fruition. Are 350 pilots really going to commute or go to training for a little more variety over seniority? Doubtful. Same hypothesis that people will go to widebody and not deal with domestic rotations anymore. Except that didn’t happen and tons upgraded. I still think motivation to upgrade will be even more now than chasing widebodies. Keeping widebodies not that senior as everyone thinks. Especially with growth and recovery still from Covid.
You may be correct(probably are) in the short term....but as senior 350 captains matriculate off the top into retirement....the pilots that fill the vacancy will be much more junior. The same applies to the 350 FO over time. In less than 5 years the 330 will be much more senior to the 350 . If stove pipe is the accepted equilibrium of "senior" the 330 will be biased to the more senior due to trips variety and bases.
JMHO
12-07-2022, 06:12 AM
#222
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it already is the most senior. Most of these hypotheses never come to fruition. Are 350 pilots really going to commute or go to training for a little more variety over seniority? Doubtful. Same hypothesis that people will go to widebody and not deal with domestic rotations anymore. Except that didn’t happen and tons upgraded. I still think motivation to upgrade will be even more now than chasing widebodies. Keeping widebodies not that senior as everyone thinks. Especially with growth and recovery still from Covid.
Motivation to upgrade changes huge as you accrue longevity
12-07-2022, 08:15 AM
#223
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Revisiting a topic from the 2022 AE thread… so, what happens if you get converted to a new category but you don’t have the required qualifying 121 hours to train? How does one get “unconverted” if that’s possible? Saw this coming after several reroutes that shorted me hours and asked the question, but here we are in the Catch 22.
12-07-2022, 09:11 AM
#224
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Revisiting a topic from the 2022 AE thread… so, what happens if you get converted to a new category but you don’t have the required qualifying 121 hours to train? How does one get “unconverted” if that’s possible? Saw this coming after several reroutes that shorted me hours and asked the question, but here we are in the Catch 22.
12-07-2022, 09:27 AM
#225
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Yep, need ~50 hours to be in that window, figured that was what they were going to do when it was radio silence thru the Fall. I'll gladly fly on my old fleet, it's just now the issue of being converted so I can't bid or anything. Hit up the union for guidance so we'll see.
12-07-2022, 11:06 PM
#226
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Revisiting a topic from the 2022 AE thread… so, what happens if you get converted to a new category but you don’t have the required qualifying 121 hours to train? How does one get “unconverted” if that’s possible? Saw this coming after several reroutes that shorted me hours and asked the question, but here we are in the Catch 22.
Someone please chime in if that’s changed since then.
12-08-2022, 05:01 AM
#227
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This happened 5-6 years ago on the 88. The company didn’t even have a policy at the time. I believe they settled on a policy where you continue to fly in your old category until you reach the hours requirement, but are NOT pay protected while doing so.
Someone please chime in if that’s changed since then.
Someone please chime in if that’s changed since then.
I think what he’s saying is that they converted him for January, with training possibly scheduled in December because he was supposed to get to 985ish in November. Due to reroute and cancels he flew 50 hours less in November leaving a big shortfall, but his December schedule was already set with IQ and shadow for OE.
I believe is how I read the situation. Honestly don’t know the answer though. I feel if they’ve converted him then he gets paid the new rate but still needs to fly the old plane until 985, but idk.
12-08-2022, 05:22 AM
#228
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LOA 17-02 addresses this (See the exception to 22.8.E.a). They have "unconverted" ("reconverted?") pilots before.
12-08-2022, 05:58 AM
#229
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You may be correct(probably are) in the short term....but as senior 350 captains matriculate off the top into retirement....the pilots that fill the vacancy will be much more junior. The same applies to the 350 FO over time. In less than 5 years the 330 will be much more senior to the 350 . If stove pipe is the accepted equilibrium of "senior" the 330 will be biased to the more senior due to trips variety and bases.
JMHO
JMHO
SDY is one of the best trips in the system. Trips pay better on the 350. More time off the 350. I hope the 330 goes more senior. It might if they ever open up a SLC 330 base.
But this thing might not pass. Not everyone is excited about it. Go look and read on the other forums.
12-08-2022, 06:06 AM
#230
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Agree with what you said for bases on 330. Have you seen the bid package in MSP? Those 6 days are crap. NYC 330 has the best trips in the 330.
SDY is one of the best trips in the system. Trips pay better on the 350. More time off the 350. I hope the 330 goes more senior. It might if they ever open up a SLC 330 base.
But this thing might not pass. Not everyone is excited about it. Go look and read on the other forums.
SDY is one of the best trips in the system. Trips pay better on the 350. More time off the 350. I hope the 330 goes more senior. It might if they ever open up a SLC 330 base.
But this thing might not pass. Not everyone is excited about it. Go look and read on the other forums.
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