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Old 05-04-2023, 09:08 AM
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Old 05-04-2023, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
Boeing Captains bidding to 320 for pay?? Equal pay at best, less seniority and a trip to VA Avenue for their trouble. I don’t really expect that to be a thing AT ALL.
321neo pays the same as 7ER, so I could see guys off 717/737 doing it. More likely than the other way.
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Originally Posted by tcco94
what you are referencing was a comment by Dimon who made that over 6 months ago saying we would be in the recession right now. Yet for our business it couldn’t be the exact opposite.
That's one of many. many. many highly respected 100% "establishment" points of view that things will soon get ugly. The contrains who called 2008 perfectly are even more negative of course.

For perspective, bank collapses this year have already exceeded all of 2008 and its only May.

Exposure to CREMBS's is insane and the sector is DOA. We're broke. BRICS and others are slowly but finally de-dollarizing. This will not end well.

The post WWII Marshall Plan fantasy crack pipe Boomers are in over their heads. Things will get very bad by any modern standard that we're used to and that doesn't even include variables like war, open borders or the next pandemic.

FWIW I'm still in the market a lot by my standards but still cash heavy.
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Old 05-04-2023, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
That's one of many. many. many highly respected 100% "establishment" points of view that things will soon get ugly. The contrains who called 2008 perfectly are even more negative of course.

For perspective, bank collapses this year have already exceeded all of 2008 and its only May.

Exposure to CREMBS's is insane and the sector is DOA. We're broke. BRICS and others are slowly but finally de-dollarizing. This will not end well.

The post WWII Marshall Plan fantasy crack pipe Boomers are in over their heads. Things will get very bad by any modern standard that we're used to and that doesn't even include variables like war, open borders or the next pandemic.

FWIW I'm still in the market a lot by my standards but still cash heavy.

"We can always print more money." -Alan Greenspan
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Old 05-04-2023, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
That's one of many. many. many highly respected 100% "establishment" points of view that things will soon get ugly. The contrains who called 2008 perfectly are even more negative of course.

For perspective, bank collapses this year have already exceeded all of 2008 and its only May.

Exposure to CREMBS's is insane and the sector is DOA. We're broke. BRICS and others are slowly but finally de-dollarizing. This will not end well.

The post WWII Marshall Plan fantasy crack pipe Boomers are in over their heads. Things will get very bad by any modern standard that we're used to and that doesn't even include variables like war, open borders or the next pandemic.

FWIW I'm still in the market a lot by my standards but still cash heavy.
I agree with you. But I have been hearing this same thing for the last 20 years. The question is when? This year, next, 20 years from now??
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Old 05-04-2023, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
321neo pays the same as 7ER, so I could see guys off 717/737 doing it. More likely than the other way.

it’s only $10/hr when you fly it. I can’t see anyone switching from 73-320 for a measly $10. Also, there are Max’s on the horizon (1.5-2years out) that will surely match the NEO pay. Why change?
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Old 05-04-2023, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
Boeing Captains bidding to 320 for pay?? Equal pay at best, less seniority and a trip to VA Avenue for their trouble. I don’t really expect that to be a thing AT ALL.
What if I told you that the 321 Neo pays the same as the ER and 30% of this 15,500 pilot group lives in Atlanta and doesn't give a crap about Virginia Avenue.
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Old 05-04-2023, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Tropical
What if I told you that the 321 Neo pays the same as the ER and 30% of this 15,500 pilot group lives in Atlanta and doesn't give a crap about Virginia Avenue.
Then 30% of those bubas will be disappointed about how much they actually will fly the NEO ouy of ATL. Lol
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What if I told you that the 321 Neo pays the same as the ER and 30% of this 15,500 pilot group lives in Atlanta and doesn't give a crap about Virginia Avenue.
Everybody (with the exception of you?) give a a crap about VA Avenue. It’s no fun. No one is switching from the ER to take a pay cut and no one switching from the 73 to get a $10 pay boost for maybe 10% of their flight time (so effectively $1 an hour). And did I mention the seniority hit? 717? Maybe, but I flew it and I never really thought of it as a Boeing. But I will give you that one - but that was a pay increase before so I don’t see much of a change there.
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
Everybody (with the exception of you?) give a a crap about VA Avenue. It’s no fun. No one is switching from the ER to take a pay cut and no one switching from the 73 to get a $10 pay boost for maybe 10% of their flight time (so effectively $1 an hour). And did I mention the seniority hit? 717? Maybe, but I flew it and I never really thought of it as a Boeing. But I will give you that one - but that was a pay increase before so I don’t see much of a change there.
The 321 is the 757 replacement. Those birds won't be flying forever.

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That's one of many. many. many highly respected 100% "establishment" points of view that things will soon get ugly. The contrains who called 2008 perfectly are even more negative of course.

For perspective, bank collapses this year have already exceeded all of 2008 and its only May.

Exposure to CREMBS's is insane and the sector is DOA. We're broke. BRICS and others are slowly but finally de-dollarizing. This will not end well.

The post WWII Marshall Plan fantasy crack pipe Boomers are in over their heads. Things will get very bad by any modern standard that we're used to and that doesn't even include variables like war, open borders or the next pandemic.

FWIW I'm still in the market a lot by my standards but still cash heavy.
For the love of dog, never take financial advice from pilots!
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