Scoop

I see this as a factor but not a big deal. Open the base with a smallish number and you would not have a lot of moves. A one time expense that would continually save on Hotels and possibly Premium pay (if they don't screw up the staffing that is). How does an average move cost compare with a single 6 day 330/350/765A GS?

Scoop

Planetrain

SLC350? Did he really say that or is that what we all wanted to hear? This rumor doesn’t pass the smell test at all.

4fans

You’re right Scoop, and I also don’t have any details of the many other variables that are obviously influencing their basing decisions. I’m also not claiming that not opening Boston is a good or bad decision. I was just trying to point out that a person being willing to move to a new base might not positively influence Delta’s decision-making the way we think it might.

I do believe that the people with all of the information are making the decision not to open Boston based on the dollars. They might even factor in the cost of a potential base or category closure down the road in their cost equation.

It becomes more difficult to effectively second-guess decisions when we realize we don’t have access to the same information as the decision maker.

DWC CAP10 USAF

A few weeks ago at propel convention, EB said we had grown in BOS and were now the number 1 airline.

PB said that right now BOS is cost neutral...the cost to open the base (and cut down on hotels) is about the same as the current model of DH folks up there from NY to cover rotations and paying for all the hotels room...while he didn't say it, he was inferring that it would take some additional growth to tip the cost savings scale toward the open a new base decision.

And the 320 out of BOS serves 13 destinations, which is same as JFK, and one more than LGA (12)

pixelflying

I hope you can appreciate the irony in calling places high cost of living and undesirable at the same time.

CX500T

Places can be high cost of living and undesirable at the same time.

In the case of NYC or LA, if you are in the entertainment industry, you kind of need to live near one.

Financial Services? NYC is a big hub for that (as is Chicago)

Tech? Seattle or SFO.

But some places have very out of whack cost of living with the desirability for people with my lifestyle and desires. When I was in the oil field, Casper Wyoming was expensive as hell, as was Gillette, WY. Local markets driven crazy by influx of oil dollars, but not really that great of a place to live. I was spending $2,000 a month for 1 bedroom apartment in a OK but not super fancy part of town in 2011. Not a lot of people have Casper, WY high on their "lets go here" list. We made the best of it, but when I was out of that industry, the house that we ended up buying was on the market the next day. (it was a weird dynamic where apartments were stupid expensive, but houses were just expensive but not unobtainable)

Gunfighter

High cost of living makes a place undesirable for a pilot with limited resources. I don't get how you can call that ironic. The fact that many of the high cost places are cities in decline further makes the case for undesirability.

tcco94

330 has 3-5 departures throughout the year but now 350 is rumor for having… zero

peepz

Don’t you dare bring logic into this conversation. It’s a bannable offense

tcco94

ATL220!!!! It’s coming!