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Old 04-19-2023, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnnychimpo
they pulled addresses and think it’d just be another commuter base, which factors into their decisions
This is kind of smart but not showing the whole picture.

I'm from MA and parents moved to Southern NH when I was in High School (I stayed with friends and finished at my HS) , but won't move "home" just to commute to NYC from the other direction.

If we had a BOS base that wasn't a one trick pony like CVG, I would give serious consideration to buying my family out of a family property in NH (but still well within SC range) and building a house (it's a former hunting camp, but nowhere left to hunt) and moving up there. Me and my wife had thought of and looked at just full timing in the camp while keeping our house in VA as a test run if BOS opened.

I've thought of bidding 320BOS or whatever goes there that I can hold Captain on (IF I can hold CA on the 320, will depend on how many locals would go WB-A or WB-B to NB-A but not commuting) just to get the company paid move for new base opening.

I know a few other guys who are from MA, NH, VT, ME that would all be "drivers" even if technically considered a commuter depending on where they drew their circle around BOS, that would take the 2-3 hour drive vs RJ to NYC.
Then a few more (me included) that would move back IF we had a pilot base. I won't move to MA due to taxes/gun laws, but NH, southeastern VT and southern ME are fine by me and my wife. (she's from upstate NY)
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Old 04-19-2023, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CX500T
This is kind of smart but not showing the whole picture.

I'm from MA and parents moved to Southern NH when I was in High School (I stayed with friends and finished at my HS) , but won't move "home" just to commute to NYC from the other direction.

If we had a BOS base that wasn't a one trick pony like CVG, I would give serious consideration to buying my family out of a family property in NH (but still well within SC range) and building a house (it's a former hunting camp, but nowhere left to hunt) and moving up there. Me and my wife had thought of and looked at just full timing in the camp while keeping our house in VA as a test run if BOS opened.

I've thought of bidding 320BOS or whatever goes there that I can hold Captain on (IF I can hold CA on the 320, will depend on how many locals would go WB-A or WB-B to NB-A but not commuting) just to get the company paid move for new base opening.

I know a few other guys who are from MA, NH, VT, ME that would all be "drivers" even if technically considered a commuter depending on where they drew their circle around BOS, that would take the 2-3 hour drive vs RJ to NYC.
Then a few more (me included) that would move back IF we had a pilot base. I won't move to MA due to taxes/gun laws, but NH, southeastern VT and southern ME are fine by me and my wife. (she's from upstate NY)
Delta tends to need a business case for any decision that costs money. It is possible that one data point in their business case calculation is a projection of how many paid moves a new base would generate. If this is the case, then people that are willing to move is likely on the cost side and people who are already there are not.

just a theory.
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Old 04-19-2023, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 4fans
Delta tends to need a business case for any decision that costs money. It is possible that one data point in their business case calculation is a projection of how many paid moves a new base would generate. If this is the case, then people that are willing to move is likely on the cost side and people who are already there are not.

just a theory.
delta doesn’t pay for moves to a growing base, only out of a displacement category
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Old 04-19-2023, 08:08 AM
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I mean, times have also changed a bit. Many younger-hires/commuters aren’t moving to base because the bases are quite frankly garbage places to live. Sure there are nice things in any city, but as an aggregate I’d say most of the Delta hubs (and the same can be said for every other legacy too in my opinion) are undesirable places to live with high cost of living that negate some of the benefits of living in base. I’ll keep my house at the beach, lower cost of living, and good schools and continue to commute.
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Old 04-19-2023, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
You don’t think they will stop hiring or you think they won’t blunder through more questionable-at-best staffing decisions based on pre-month credit reductions relying on perfect weather/no sick calls/record GS while ignoring post-month reality and the reliability hit it leaves in its wake?

Not to mention the upcoming leap year.
Are we not up like 1000 pilots from 2019 and still pre-2019 block hours? How the system continues to have hiccups escapes me.
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Old 04-19-2023, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
delta doesn’t pay for moves to a growing base, only out of a displacement category
Incorrect.
PWA 6.A.3.b "Eligible Pilot for the purposes of Section 6 means a pilot who intends to complete or completes and eligible move and :
a. converts into a position at another base via an MD or VD, or <--- this is the key
b. converts into a position at a new or re-established base within 12 months of the first pilot conversion at such base

So in short, go to BOS within 12 month of it opening, get a paid move provided some other things are met (125 miles straight line to ARP of any co-terminal, more than 50 from current house, more than 50 from metro area of old base, etc)
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Originally Posted by CX500T
Incorrect.
PWA 6.A.3.b "Eligible Pilot for the purposes of Section 6 means a pilot who intends to complete or completes and eligible move and :
a. converts into a position at another base via an MD or VD, or <--- this is the key
b. converts into a position at a new or re-established base within 12 months of the first pilot conversion at such base

So in short, go to BOS within 12 month of it opening, get a paid move provided some other things are met (125 miles straight line to ARP of any co-terminal, more than 50 from current house, more than 50 from metro area of old base, etc)
huh, you learn something new every day. Thanks
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Old 04-19-2023, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FlexManFlex
Wow! Thanks for the info! That’s a curve ball. If SLC350 happens that’ll mean more europe flying for the 350 pilots in general because the 6 day trips would then include SLC for the mid rotation layover.
I may have misunderstood your point. 6 day trips are usually a result of not having a base. If SLC had a 350.base they could fly 3 day Europe with local pilots. 6 day trips through another base are the result of misaligned staffing. The way we get 6 day Europe on the A350 out of SLC is by NOT having a base. BOS 330 flying is the perfect example.
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Old 04-19-2023, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
I may have misunderstood your point. 6 day trips are usually a result of not having a base. If SLC had a 350.base they could fly 3 day Europe with local pilots. 6 day trips through another base are the result of misaligned staffing. The way we get 6 day Europe on the A350 out of SLC is by NOT having a base. BOS 330 flying is the perfect example.
But then there is the case of
DTW-HND
ATL-HND

Regularly setup with a DH one one end as a 4-day, and regularly also setup as a 6-7 day via the other base with a layover there. Bizarre and inefficient.
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
I may have misunderstood your point. 6 day trips are usually a result of not having a base. If SLC had a 350.base they could fly 3 day Europe with local pilots. 6 day trips through another base are the result of misaligned staffing. The way we get 6 day Europe on the A350 out of SLC is by NOT having a base. BOS 330 flying is the perfect example.
You would think so but a lot of 6 days I see has a mid rotation layover in either DTW, NYC, SEA, MSP, then of course to your point BOS, PDX, SLC, MCO, and LAX. That’s for the 330 anyways
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