Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
04-15-2023, 09:29 AM
#2041
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I tried to respond to you, but it went off to post approval jail, so maybe you'll get to see it someday maybe you won't.
But the long story short is not everyone had the same path you had. Some had it easier, some had it harder, and most had no control over how things went. A change in the status quo only helps a select few, and yes, that raises fairness issues. None of this should surprise you.
But the long story short is not everyone had the same path you had. Some had it easier, some had it harder, and most had no control over how things went. A change in the status quo only helps a select few, and yes, that raises fairness issues. None of this should surprise you.
04-15-2023, 09:34 AM
#2042
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I tried to respond to you, but it went off to post approval jail, so maybe you'll get to see it someday maybe you won't.
But the long story short is not everyone had the same path you had. Some had it easier, some had it harder, and most had no control over how things went. A change in the status quo only helps a select few, and yes, that raises fairness issues. None of this should surprise you.
But the long story short is not everyone had the same path you had. Some had it easier, some had it harder, and most had no control over how things went. A change in the status quo only helps a select few, and yes, that raises fairness issues. None of this should surprise you.
04-15-2023, 10:04 AM
#2043
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But many of us went through a few airlines before coming to Delta... like being stuck at a regional throughout the late 2000s and early 20-teens then going through Spirit, Frontier, etc where we were captains. What I don't get is why this is a mystery to you that needs to be explained. You must think everyone went MIL>Delta or Flight school>Regional FO for a year>Regional CA 2 years>Delta. There is an entire industry between those two extremes.
04-15-2023, 11:38 AM
#2044
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04-15-2023, 03:08 PM
#2045
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Do you think that your kids track and timing is the average new hire experience?
04-15-2023, 05:26 PM
#2046
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I don’t know what the “average” experience looks like here. It’s always a very diverse group of pilots from all over the place. But it’s undeniable that many of the pilots being hired out of the regional airlines have 2,000 - 2,500 total flight time, 0 TPIC, and only a couple years of turbine flight experience. It isn’t even uncommon to be hired with those stats anymore.
04-16-2023, 11:50 AM
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Are we going to have to be subjected to this same age 65/67 crap until July? There’s already a 67 thread, go there to boom vs non-boom.
04-17-2023, 09:47 AM
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Well it's really none of your business, and I'm going to take your self doxxing bait under the guise of "helping you understand", but since you and your older buddies seem to have a serious lack of self awareness and awareness of anyone's situation but your own, let me show you the progression of a typical Delta hire with less than 5 years here:
Flight school in the early 2000s.
Regional airline. Took 5-7 years to upgrade and get PIC time. Thanks Age 65 and the 2008 Recession.
ULCC airline - Spirit? Frontier? JetBlue? Delta wasn't hiring much in the 20-teens and a lot of pilots were considered over or under qualified. Spent a few years there. Then covid hit.
Finally get to Delta. Took a huge pay cut from ULCC CA to DL FO. Ran up some debt first year. Can't exactly tell the wife you're selling the house and the kids that they have to go hungry because daddy got a new job. Life and its expenses go on.
Retro not Retro comes. It was 5 figures before Uncle Sam took a 35% bite and ALPA took their cut. Barely paid off the debt.
Now some seniors want to grab 2 more years and tell all of us below it tough luck. But the consolation prize is I'll get 2 more years. If I make it that long, which I doubt. It's not important that their own advancement came from those ahead of them retiring at 60 or 65 and pilots taking early retirement packages. But the seniors say quit whining because they got furloughed after 9/11 or had to sit sideways for 7 years... while we were commuter FOs making $30/hr or captains making $60 an hour and flying Newark to Buffalo in the winter in a turboprop 5 times a day.
It's likely that we see a repeat of 2008 with a perfect storm of recession and retirement age raise that brings furloughs and/or displacements. At a minimum, we stop hiring and everyone is stagnant for a few years. Stuck on reserve or stuck as a junior FO. Again.
Clear as mud?
Flight school in the early 2000s.
Regional airline. Took 5-7 years to upgrade and get PIC time. Thanks Age 65 and the 2008 Recession.
ULCC airline - Spirit? Frontier? JetBlue? Delta wasn't hiring much in the 20-teens and a lot of pilots were considered over or under qualified. Spent a few years there. Then covid hit.
Finally get to Delta. Took a huge pay cut from ULCC CA to DL FO. Ran up some debt first year. Can't exactly tell the wife you're selling the house and the kids that they have to go hungry because daddy got a new job. Life and its expenses go on.
Retro not Retro comes. It was 5 figures before Uncle Sam took a 35% bite and ALPA took their cut. Barely paid off the debt.
Now some seniors want to grab 2 more years and tell all of us below it tough luck. But the consolation prize is I'll get 2 more years. If I make it that long, which I doubt. It's not important that their own advancement came from those ahead of them retiring at 60 or 65 and pilots taking early retirement packages. But the seniors say quit whining because they got furloughed after 9/11 or had to sit sideways for 7 years... while we were commuter FOs making $30/hr or captains making $60 an hour and flying Newark to Buffalo in the winter in a turboprop 5 times a day.
It's likely that we see a repeat of 2008 with a perfect storm of recession and retirement age raise that brings furloughs and/or displacements. At a minimum, we stop hiring and everyone is stagnant for a few years. Stuck on reserve or stuck as a junior FO. Again.
Clear as mud?
I'm personally not in favor of raising the age again. If I'm still having fun and I'm healthy, I might stay all the way to 65. If it stops being enjoyable long term (we all occasionally have that 1 trip), I'm out.
04-17-2023, 11:24 AM
#2049
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From Dec 2021
Yes that sounds grueling. You do a good job of affixing blame to a lot of other people and events. Not sure your experience is that typical but it is personal for you and I get that.
I am curious why you might need to sell the house and kids go hungry when you were in a marginal 35% tax bracket which starts at $431,900 for 2022(Married filing jointly) Sounds like you hit the jackpot on 1st year pay since you stated you made $159K in 2021 as a FO/Capt?? at Allegiant. Good job! You made in year 1 what I made in year 33 at retirement, congratulations. Seems like you ought to be a bit more positive about your 1 year at Delta instead of dragging your past excess baggage around, but that's just my opinion.
"2022 Federal Income Tax Brackets and Rates Married Couples Filing Jointly,.......... 35%..... $431,900 to $647,850 "Source: Internal Revenue Service
So, yea clear as mud. I truly hope you can enjoy your remaining years at Delta. Sounds like you are off to a phenomenal start after your delay(s) that hampered your arrival.
Finally get to Delta. Took a huge pay cut from ULCC CA to DL FO. Ran up some debt first year. Can't exactly tell the wife you're selling the house and the kids that they have to go hungry because daddy got a new job. Life and its expenses go on.
Retro not Retro comes. It was 5 figures before Uncle Sam took a 35% bite and ALPA took their cut. Barely paid off the debt.
Clear as mud?
Retro not Retro comes. It was 5 figures before Uncle Sam took a 35% bite and ALPA took their cut. Barely paid off the debt.
Clear as mud?
I am curious why you might need to sell the house and kids go hungry when you were in a marginal 35% tax bracket which starts at $431,900 for 2022(Married filing jointly) Sounds like you hit the jackpot on 1st year pay since you stated you made $159K in 2021 as a FO/Capt?? at Allegiant. Good job! You made in year 1 what I made in year 33 at retirement, congratulations. Seems like you ought to be a bit more positive about your 1 year at Delta instead of dragging your past excess baggage around, but that's just my opinion.
"2022 Federal Income Tax Brackets and Rates Married Couples Filing Jointly,.......... 35%..... $431,900 to $647,850 "Source: Internal Revenue Service
So, yea clear as mud. I truly hope you can enjoy your remaining years at Delta. Sounds like you are off to a phenomenal start after your delay(s) that hampered your arrival.
04-17-2023, 11:37 AM
#2050
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From Dec 2021
Yes that sounds grueling. You do a good job of affixing blame to a lot of other people and events. Not sure your experience is that typical but it is personal for you and I get that.
I am curious why you might need to sell the house and kids go hungry when you were in a marginal 35% tax bracket which starts at $431,900 for 2022(Married filing jointly) Sounds like you hit the jackpot on 1st year pay since you stated you made $159K in 2021 as a FO/Capt?? at Allegiant. Good job! You made in year 1 what I made in year 33 at retirement, congratulations. Seems like you ought to be a bit more positive about your 1 year at Delta instead of dragging your past excess baggage around, but that's just my opinion.
"2022 Federal Income Tax Brackets and Rates Married Couples Filing Jointly,.......... 35%..... $431,900 to $647,850 "Source: Internal Revenue Service
So, yea clear as mud. I truly hope you can enjoy your remaining years at Delta. Sounds like you are off to a phenomenal start after your delay(s) that hampered your arrival.
Yes that sounds grueling. You do a good job of affixing blame to a lot of other people and events. Not sure your experience is that typical but it is personal for you and I get that.
I am curious why you might need to sell the house and kids go hungry when you were in a marginal 35% tax bracket which starts at $431,900 for 2022(Married filing jointly) Sounds like you hit the jackpot on 1st year pay since you stated you made $159K in 2021 as a FO/Capt?? at Allegiant. Good job! You made in year 1 what I made in year 33 at retirement, congratulations. Seems like you ought to be a bit more positive about your 1 year at Delta instead of dragging your past excess baggage around, but that's just my opinion.
"2022 Federal Income Tax Brackets and Rates Married Couples Filing Jointly,.......... 35%..... $431,900 to $647,850 "Source: Internal Revenue Service
So, yea clear as mud. I truly hope you can enjoy your remaining years at Delta. Sounds like you are off to a phenomenal start after your delay(s) that hampered your arrival.
Because bonuses and one time payments are generally taxed at the top marginal rate.
But you knew that right?
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