GogglesPisano

No kidding. We're talking about an airline that up until recently flew DC9's. Those "end of life" 330's will be here for another 20 years.

DWC CAP10 USAF

Except every AE since I've been here (with the exception of the COVID break) has run while the conversion/training window from the last, sometime last two AE's (when one was a 365) was still live.

DWC CAP10 USAF

BOS 787...take it to the bank!

Wolf424

Silicon Valley?

JamesBond

precisely. Stagnation my ass

JustNarced

This one is a bit more recent and the company is in active negotiations with Boeing; maybe an unsolicited sales pitch.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/459...elta-order-buy

About halfway down:

"The primary reason why there has been a long pause in the announcement of the expected Delta A350-1000 order is that Boeing appears to be engaged in an aggressive sales campaign at Delta to convince Delta that Boeing’s products might be better for Delta than the A350-1000 and perhaps the A330NEO."

"Boeing is also offering the 777X to Delta and that is where the sales pitch could become even more interesting."

A few mentions about a pilot message board as well, was LOL at that. I wonder how much of a feedback loop there is.

Nevertheless, a good read. Bottom line, 350 isn't cutting it.

Tropical

Cool story, but seeking alpha is the APC of investors and has about as much validity as the nonsense we "debate" here every day. Just a bunch of know it alls and their opinions, trying to be the smartest guy in the room.

I shudder to think of those outside the industry reading this stuff and deciding this is really what we are like.

Buck Rogers

Can you clear something up for me?. I don't understand how you could not get at least a 5 figure "not retro" retro check. That could only happen if you are a new hire ie less than 2 years. But you also complain that age 65 held you up in the RJ world for 5 extra years at paltry wages(even tough you just said you took a pay cut to get here). Delta has been hiring huge amounts of pilots since 2015....so for at least 8 years (except during covid).

So, when you throw down your woe is me card....was it age 65 that hurt you? That happened 15 years ago, consequently that implies you have should have been here in excess of 2 years if you were a tier 1 candidate. Or was it covid, or was it you were just building your credentials, or was it when you talk "butt hurt" your are speaking more esoterically that "things" could have happened like you describe to a disparate group of pilots?

Just seems like you are pretty sensitive when pilots talk real life experiences that actually happened to them in a 30 year career(your go to term is "Boomer") but you don't hesitate to inject your "past travesties" committed against you. I'm trying to understand if they are real or hypothetical to you personally.

I truly am trying to understand because my airline kids have been at a major since before to Covid and didn't get affected by age 65 because they were still in H.S. at that time. They had yet to receive their 1st flight as a pilot. Maybe I'm just missing something, which is entirely possible.

Tropical

Well it's really none of your business, and I'm going to take your self doxxing bait under the guise of "helping you understand", but since you and your older buddies seem to have a serious lack of self awareness and awareness of anyone's situation but your own, let me show you the progression of a typical Delta hire with less than 5 years here:

Flight school in the early 2000s.

Regional airline. Took 5-7 years to upgrade and get PIC time. Thanks Age 65 and the 2008 Recession.

ULCC airline - Spirit? Frontier? JetBlue? Delta wasn't hiring much in the 20-teens and a lot of pilots were considered over or under qualified. Spent a few years there. Then covid hit.

Finally get to Delta. Took a huge pay cut from ULCC CA to DL FO. Ran up some debt first year. Can't exactly tell the wife you're selling the house and the kids that they have to go hungry because daddy got a new job. Life and its expenses go on.

Retro not Retro comes. It was 5 figures before Uncle Sam took a 35% bite and ALPA took their cut. Barely paid off the debt.

Now some seniors want to grab 2 more years and tell all of us below it tough luck. But the consolation prize is I'll get 2 more years. If I make it that long, which I doubt. It's not important that their own advancement came from those ahead of them retiring at 60 or 65 and pilots taking early retirement packages. But the seniors say quit whining because they got furloughed after 9/11 or had to sit sideways for 7 years... while we were commuter FOs making $30/hr or captains making $60 an hour and flying Newark to Buffalo in the winter in a turboprop 5 times a day.

It's likely that we see a repeat of 2008 with a perfect storm of recession and retirement age raise that brings furloughs and/or displacements. At a minimum, we stop hiring and everyone is stagnant for a few years. Stuck on reserve or stuck as a junior FO. Again.

Clear as mud?

Tropical

I tried to respond to you, but it went off to moderator approval censorship jail, so maybe you'll get to see it someday maybe you won't.

But the long story short is not everyone had the same path you had. Some had it easier, some had it harder, and most had no control over how things went. A change in the status quo only helps a select few, and yes, that raises fairness issues. None of this should surprise you.