Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
04-10-2023, 08:23 AM
#1961
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What gets me about WBB is lack of actual “stick and rudder” flying. QOL is great, but just about everyone admits they’re not great at flying the airplane without the automation.
I’ll say it. I got into this job because I like flying. Turns out this job isn’t about that at all. I tell my kids if they like flying become an orthopedic surgeon or anesthesiologist and buy their own airplane. Wish I had taken my own advice so many years ago.
I’ll say it. I got into this job because I like flying. Turns out this job isn’t about that at all. I tell my kids if they like flying become an orthopedic surgeon or anesthesiologist and buy their own airplane. Wish I had taken my own advice so many years ago.
04-10-2023, 08:24 AM
#1962
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How big is the SLC sim facility going to be in comparison to ATL? Are these gonna be all new sims or are they transferring some there? I would hope more sims would help alleviate some of the training churn.
04-10-2023, 08:35 AM
#1963
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A lot smaller. Only 2-3 fleets max and new sims is what I heard so far. 1-2 sims per fleet. They're still deciding how to staff (locally based or TYD like Miami) if I had to guess I'd say TDY initially then mostly locally based assuming they can get the SLI and NSLI volunteers, which I predict they will get.
04-10-2023, 08:39 AM
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Right. But there's a decade and a half hiring gap if you don't include the barely 1000-ish between 2007 and 2014. That thousand is spread all over. And the category you mention is expanding.
It wouldn't suprise me to see a few 2014's sneak into WBA here or there in the coming year or three.
It wouldn't suprise me to see a few 2014's sneak into WBA here or there in the coming year or three.
I really liked the A320 flew it quite a bit, the 330 has great destinations too.
04-10-2023, 09:08 AM
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According to plane spotters, we have 45 763s. Oldest is 33, youngest is 23.
12 are 30 and older. I’d speculate that those have to be starting to go offline around 2025 and later, gets them to 35 or so. The youngest 763/764 probably can make it to 203x provided fuel prices don’t go bonkers. By that point, the oldest 330s are also hitting 30.
Think we could see an order for 10-20 WB to start the replacement cycle? I’d venture that the 330neo can deliver sooner than any 787s. I figure the used 332 rumor is just that, but it would be the right number-ish to start shifting out the oldest 763s. Current order book puts us at 145 top paying WBs. Wonder where WB A # falls when all said and done with those? If you start replacing 763s with full-WBs, you quickly build up the top paying jets category.
12 are 30 and older. I’d speculate that those have to be starting to go offline around 2025 and later, gets them to 35 or so. The youngest 763/764 probably can make it to 203x provided fuel prices don’t go bonkers. By that point, the oldest 330s are also hitting 30.
Think we could see an order for 10-20 WB to start the replacement cycle? I’d venture that the 330neo can deliver sooner than any 787s. I figure the used 332 rumor is just that, but it would be the right number-ish to start shifting out the oldest 763s. Current order book puts us at 145 top paying WBs. Wonder where WB A # falls when all said and done with those? If you start replacing 763s with full-WBs, you quickly build up the top paying jets category.
04-10-2023, 09:17 AM
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04-10-2023, 09:35 AM
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I've met senior WB B going NB A. Because he could drop how whole schedule, pick up broken trips and was tired of the same layovers he's been to a million times.
As for the next AE, you're gonna have junior pilots thirsty to upgrade no matter what and senior pilots that don't trust all the soft pay and new contract to fix anything on the domestic side. I've flown with quite a few NB A's that are going to hop on the next WB B they can hold. I think WB B is gonna go senior and NB A is gonna go junior, specially if/WHEN this summer is a sh!tshow
As for the next AE, you're gonna have junior pilots thirsty to upgrade no matter what and senior pilots that don't trust all the soft pay and new contract to fix anything on the domestic side. I've flown with quite a few NB A's that are going to hop on the next WB B they can hold. I think WB B is gonna go senior and NB A is gonna go junior, specially if/WHEN this summer is a sh!tshow
04-10-2023, 10:02 AM
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Its hard for us to wrap our minds around sudden sizemic shifts in past trends. Even NYC 88A was 15ish+ years after the merger. Until it suddenly went as low as 6 month new hires for a while. Then that ended hard. Then the equivalent came back as the sweet chariot of movement swung AE's low even ER-A.
Crazy times.
Crazy times.
04-10-2023, 10:11 AM
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An often overlooked thing that is making me sweat my current situation far less is going on FAA Leave/STD/LTD was my top 6 months as a ER FO still didn't match 6 months of normal 320A pay for the look back. There were some individual months I make bank as a ER FO, but never enough to have a good 6 month in 36 month lookback.
On that tangent, does anyone know off the top of your head if vacation buyback for training "counts" for the high 6 on disability?
I got vacation bought out as I was in 320 IQ during my scheduled vacation, so 2 weeks paid out at 320A pay, plus I did quasi-rollling thunder in April, and May-August were 80 RES guarantee.
103 average month if vacation buyback counted, 94 if it doesn't.
On that tangent, does anyone know off the top of your head if vacation buyback for training "counts" for the high 6 on disability?
I got vacation bought out as I was in 320 IQ during my scheduled vacation, so 2 weeks paid out at 320A pay, plus I did quasi-rollling thunder in April, and May-August were 80 RES guarantee.
103 average month if vacation buyback counted, 94 if it doesn't.
04-10-2023, 12:27 PM
#1970
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A couple key ingredients that belong in the WBB:NBA comparison are:
-Commuter vs Local
-Annual vacation and training $$ based on higher hourly rate.
-Commuter vs Local
-Annual vacation and training $$ based on higher hourly rate.
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