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Old 03-25-2023, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
There is no mechanism in the PWA for inverse assignments to Captain.

Not my problem.
There usta be, must have gotten rid of it. They junior manned "A" on the "Howling Wolf" CV-880 in the end. Guys really didn't want to go there. I got sent to 880 F/E school while remaining qualed on the DC 6/7, CV 440. Thank the baby jeebus for better contracts.
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Old 03-25-2023, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by badflaps
There usta be, must have gotten rid of it. They junior manned "A" on the "Howling Wolf" CV-880 in the end. Guys really didn't want to go there. I got sent to 880 F/E school while remaining qualed on the DC 6/7, CV 440. Thank the baby jeebus for better contracts.
I wouldn’t mind CV-880 A for a bit of fun. Probably still a better overhead than the 737.
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Old 03-25-2023, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
Supply/Demand. Apparently CA pay needs to go up
People aren’t avoiding upgrade because of lack of pay. They’re avoiding upgrade because the QoL in this career has been destroyed by the drive for efficiency and productivity, and the closest you can get to a respectable QoL is to be a very senior FO.

Bad QoL is the problem, better QoL is the answer. The obvious solution is to close the gap in QoL between a senior first officer and a Captain of the same longevity.
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Old 03-25-2023, 10:30 AM
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Amen! I’m not upgrading cause the trips suck. I’ve been ignoring GS calls because the trips suck so bad I decline them even at double pay
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Old 03-25-2023, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
There is no mechanism in the PWA for inverse assignments to Captain.

Not my problem.
Posting a displacement bid that eliminates significant numbers of FO positions coupled with CA openings would do the trick, no? FOs receive MD to CA positions....
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Old 03-25-2023, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
Posting a displacement bid that eliminates significant numbers of FO positions coupled with CA openings would do the trick, no? FOs receive MD to CA positions....
No seat lock on an MD. Wouldn’t fix it long enough to train everyone probably.
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Old 03-25-2023, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
I wouldn’t mind CV-880 A for a bit of fun. Probably still a better overhead than the 737.
Well, it had a proper engineer, so definitely.
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Old 03-25-2023, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by badflaps
There usta be, must have gotten rid of it. They junior manned "A" on the "Howling Wolf" CV-880 in the end. Guys really didn't want to go there. I got sent to 880 F/E school while remaining qualed on the DC 6/7, CV 440. Thank the baby jeebus for better contracts.
why was the 880 so junior? I would think it was one of the higher paid aircraft on property when it was new.

how did that work? You could stayed qualified as an engineer on multiple different aircraft at the same time?
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Old 03-25-2023, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PeteyT
People aren’t avoiding upgrade because of lack of pay. They’re avoiding upgrade because the QoL in this career has been destroyed by the drive for efficiency and productivity, and the closest you can get to a respectable QoL is to be a very senior FO.

Bad QoL is the problem, better QoL is the answer. The obvious solution is to close the gap in QoL between a senior first officer and a Captain of the same longevity.

Exactly! Facts!
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Old 03-25-2023, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by StartngOvr
Posting a displacement bid that eliminates significant numbers of FO positions coupled with CA openings would do the trick, no? FOs receive MD to CA positions....
But then they couldn't hire anyone until the next AE, where every MD'd pilot would just bid right back to wherever they want to be. Huge training cost for no gain.
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