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Old 03-17-2023, 07:07 AM
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Speaking of AEs and conversion windows - does anyone recall if there is anything in the contract regarding compensation if the company upgrades out of seniority order? I remember hearing something about this but can’t find it in the PWA.
Yes, you are pay protected at the higher rate. It should be automatic. It was for me. 22.E.9
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Originally Posted by stoki
Speaking of AEs and conversion windows - does anyone recall if there is anything in the contract regarding compensation if the company upgrades out of seniority order? I remember hearing something about this but can’t find it in the PWA.
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Yes, you are pay protected at the higher rate. It should be automatic. It was for me. 22.E.9
To add to what Fangs said, there are some caveats: has to be from the same AE and awarded via the same method (AE or VD or MD). Did you request to retain vacation? Request to convert after junior?
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Old 03-17-2023, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
I had a 330 jumpseater a couple months back tell me the reason they're evaluating still SLC for the 330 was that they were having issues with the 330 taking off fully loaded out of SLC in the summer. Said they'd have to make a fuel stop in MSP or DTW before crossing the pond. Anyone hear anything about this?
Bingo! That and BOS has more 330 flying.

I don't understand why they aren't planning/evaluating the 350 in SLC. It solves the payload issue in the summer and gives them the right airplane to do ICN.
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Old 03-17-2023, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
I had a 330 jumpseater a couple months back tell me the reason they're evaluating still SLC for the 330 was that they were having issues with the 330 taking off fully loaded out of SLC in the summer. Said they'd have to make a fuel stop in MSP or DTW before crossing the pond. Anyone hear anything about this?
I think the neo also was not approved for packs off takeoffs either, which contributed to the problems last summer. I think that restriction has been lifted.
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I think the neo also was not approved for packs off takeoffs either, which contributed to the problems last summer. I think that restriction has been lifted.
Wait, would an APU on takeoff have the same affect as packs off? And if I remember correctly you can’t fly across the pond without a working APU
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Originally Posted by Jaxs170
Bingo! That and BOS has more 330 flying.
BOS also has more 320 flying than SEA.
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Old 03-17-2023, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaxs170
Bingo! That and BOS has more 330 flying.

I don't understand why they aren't planning/evaluating the 350 in SLC. It solves the payload issue in the summer and gives them the right airplane to do ICN.
Not sure I understand why fuel stops on less than 5% of yearly routes would matter for a pilot base. That’s like saying let’s close SEA320 because if winds are too strong it stops for fuel in sfo to do Hawaii. Also how many 350’s currently fly to LHR/CDG/AMS in system vs 330’s? Plugging in crews and airplanes on a route meant for and dominated by 330 provides the maximum flexibility for the company. The 350 isn’t going to be any better on takeoff out of SLC in 100 degree+ days. We are acting like ER never did a fuel stop out of SLC in summer either.

sometimes the comments in here make sense why pilots fly airplanes and networking does their magic.
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Originally Posted by FlexManFlex
Wait, would an APU on takeoff have the same affect as packs off? And if I remember correctly you can’t fly across the pond without a working APU
The APU wasn’t broke. The neos had an anomaly with packs off takeoffs which created a restriction that they couldn’t do it at all until it was fixed. That was going on last summer and made the hotter temp takeoffs for neo’s worse out of SLC and more weight restricted. I’m sure that’s been resolved now.
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Originally Posted by tcco94
Not sure I understand why fuel stops on less than 5% of yearly routes would matter for a pilot base. That’s like saying let’s close SEA320 because if winds are too strong it stops for fuel in sfo to do Hawaii. Also how many 350’s currently fly to LHR/CDG/AMS in system vs 330’s? Plugging in crews and airplanes on a route meant for and dominated by 330 provides the maximum flexibility for the company. The 350 isn’t going to be any better on takeoff out of SLC in 100 degree+ days. We are acting like ER never did a fuel stop out of SLC in summer either.

sometimes the comments in here make sense why pilots fly airplanes and networking does their magic.
I mean yeah network would second guess a base if the desired aircraft is severely limited for a portion of the year.
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Old 03-17-2023, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by tcco94
The APU wasn’t broke. The neos had an anomaly with packs off takeoffs which created a restriction that they couldn’t do it at all until it was fixed. That was going on last summer and made the hotter temp takeoffs for neo’s worse out of SLC and more weight restricted. I’m sure that’s been resolved now.
I think you are conflating engine bleeds off takeoffs with packs off...
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