Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
03-07-2023, 06:09 AM
#1571
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As an example, on an 8.5 hour flight to Europe everyone will be in the cockpit for about 1 hour combined for departure/arrival leaving 7.5 hours of cruise time to split 3 ways. So in that case the crew is rotating for lavatory breaks and/or rest pilot change at least every 2.5 hours. Whoever is on 1st and 3rd break will be on for for 5-6 hours straight, but that is broken up a bit by the crew swap cycle, meal service, etc. I also try to stand up and stretch at least once per shift between the break cycles if able. A 10 hour South America flight might stretch the shifts to 3 hours or so. If you're the relief pilot on that one, after first break you'd be in PF seat for 3 hours, PM seat for 3 hours, and relief jumpseat for the last 45 minutes or so. With 4-man long haul trips you're now looking at possibly 2 rest breaks per pilot, possibly of varying lengths, but I haven't experienced that.
03-07-2023, 06:34 AM
#1572
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787 is superior but when you will get one rolling out of the factory line is like playing roulette …
03-07-2023, 06:46 AM
#1573
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yeah I hear Boeing is giving away a free ladder to some lucky buyer! Just peal away the rudder and see if you too are one of the lucky winners! I bet the winners get to tour the assembly facility with a top shelf lobbyist that with the magic of lying make you believe all those processes you are now a witness to are “the new and improved highest quality assembly techniques created by the best aviation manufacturer management team in history”…
03-07-2023, 08:02 AM
#1574
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this. It’s my understanding the 787-8 burns less gas per trip on a comparable TATL route vs a 763. Carrying more pax, more revenue cargo with the ability to fly a few thousand miles further if they want that flexibility. I can’t think of a reason to buy a new 763 instead of a 788.
Boeing also wouldn't use "it'd poach 787 orders" as a reason not to build more 767 passenger planes if they were so confident.
03-07-2023, 08:36 AM
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The 767 passenger production line stopped in 2014. The last passenger variant was a -300ER that is owned and operated by Air Astana in Kazakstan. The 76 and 77 lines are both stopping in 2027 due to ICAO emissions requirements taking effect. The planes would have to be re-engined which was determined to not be remotely cost effective on an airplane design (767) that was first delivered in 1984. Only the 777X will remain in production with the new GE9X.
Buying new 767s was never an option.
Buying new 767s was never an option.
03-07-2023, 08:39 AM
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The 767 passenger production line stopped in 2014. The last passenger variant was a -300ER that is owned and operated by Air Astana in Kazakstan. The 76 and 77 lines are both stopping in 2027 due to ICAO emissions requirements taking effect. The planes would have to be re-engined which was determined to not be remotely cost effective on an airplane design (767) that was first delivered in 1984. Only the 777X will remain in production with the new GE9X.
Buying new 767s was never an option.
Buying new 767s was never an option.
Seriously, your reasons only make sense as excuses. The ICAO rules weren't even out when -F production restarted and boeing said they didn't want to sell passenger variants.
The 747-8 even uses a modified version of the 787 engine with bleed air, and since the 767 and 747-400 can share engines it seems quite doable to mount them in a new version.
03-07-2023, 08:55 AM
#1579
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737 has entered the chat....
Seriously, your reasons only make sense as excuses. The ICAO rules weren't even out when -F production restarted and boeing said they didn't want to sell passenger variants.
The 747-8 even uses a modified version of the 787 engine with bleed air, and since the 767 and 747-400 can share engines it seems quite doable to mount them in a new version.
Seriously, your reasons only make sense as excuses. The ICAO rules weren't even out when -F production restarted and boeing said they didn't want to sell passenger variants.
The 747-8 even uses a modified version of the 787 engine with bleed air, and since the 767 and 747-400 can share engines it seems quite doable to mount them in a new version.
The 737 does not have an evolved replacement. The 767 does. The LEAP engine required landing gear modifications to attach (and barely kept similar type). The 767 in its current design cannot fit emissions compliant engines underneath its wings without similar attention. The 747 just ended production as well (not another one of my “excuses”) because there is no market for 4 engine airplanes. Just two engine airplanes. Which doesn’t make sense to keep producing due to the exorbitant costs associated when they already have the 787.
And trust me, I’m not making excuses for Boeing. Boeing sucks.
03-07-2023, 01:16 PM
#1580
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The 767 passenger production line stopped in 2014. The last passenger variant was a -300ER that is owned and operated by Air Astana in Kazakstan. The 76 and 77 lines are both stopping in 2027 due to ICAO emissions requirements taking effect. The planes would have to be re-engined which was determined to not be remotely cost effective on an airplane design (767) that was first delivered in 1984. Only the 777X will remain in production with the new GE9X.
Buying new 767s was never an option.
Buying new 767s was never an option.
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