Prepare yourselves… 2023 AEs
03-01-2023, 10:00 AM
#1481
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: A350 Both
Posts: 7,292
If you reread my post (and maybe others) you’ll see I don’t opine on qol vs money. That’s a calculus for each pilot to consider on their own, and they can then advocate for their wishes in communication with their reps (or here, if they’re in to that). I was simply offering a contrary perspective that NBA and WBB money are usually not the same, and sharing some math I’ve done to consider for my own circumstances.
I surmise half of our seniority could walk away tomorrow and live a life more comfortable than 80% of their countrymen and 95% of the rest of the world. Since we’re not doing so in large numbers, it would seem income matters.
I surmise half of our seniority could walk away tomorrow and live a life more comfortable than 80% of their countrymen and 95% of the rest of the world. Since we’re not doing so in large numbers, it would seem income matters.
Your last paragraph is interesting. I don't think you should ever compare yourself to the vast majority of John Qs out there because you have a skill that you paid dearly to get whether or not it was thru the regionals or the military. You have earned your place in the top 5+%, and you should never feel guilty in any manner about that. I get your humility, and that's admirable, but don't let it cloud your judgement about YOUR value. Ed doesn't, I guarantee you. But it is not always about the money.
03-01-2023, 10:03 AM
#1482
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,483
in the past year, I’ve flown many trips where some/most of these would have improved the trip, and the CA I was flying with was hired before 9/11.
banded pay specifically probably helps senior pilots the most. The biggest beneficiaries of that were the 330 and 765.
03-01-2023, 10:07 AM
#1483
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,716
WB-B new hires are missing out on those things, too, so that’s not really about senior people getting hosed
03-01-2023, 10:29 AM
#1484
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: A320 Left seat
Posts: 2,585
03-01-2023, 11:13 AM
#1485
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Position: Wind checker
Posts: 770
330 will trend more senior with a caveat. Everyone currently on a widebody in the band is seat locked for 36 months for a seat to seat move within the band. No current 350 or 764 guys are moving into the 330 for awhile. EDIT: right to left seat moves not withstanding. Dudes can still upgrade apparently.
03-01-2023, 11:29 AM
#1486
Back on Reserve
Joined APC: Dec 2012
Position: A330 FO
Posts: 696
330 will trend more senior with a caveat. Everyone currently on a widebody in the band is seat locked for 36 months for a seat to seat move within the band. No current 350 or 764 guys are moving into the 330 for awhile. EDIT: right to left seat moves not withstanding. Dudes can still upgrade apparently.
03-01-2023, 11:45 AM
#1487
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: LAX ER
Posts: 1,606
330 will trend more senior with a caveat. Everyone currently on a widebody in the band is seat locked for 36 months for a seat to seat move within the band. No current 350 or 764 guys are moving into the 330 for awhile. EDIT: right to left seat moves not withstanding. Dudes can still upgrade apparently.
03-01-2023, 11:54 AM
#1488
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 791
I challenge some of you to look at this contract from management's POV and think how you would use these items against the pilots instead of looking at it like the power drunk MEC that thinks we just pulled one over on them. Management is playing the long game. What you might think is valuable to them might not be.
03-01-2023, 12:00 PM
#1489
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: LAX ER
Posts: 1,606
Ed said on live TV that it was illegal for us to go on strike, lol.
followed by we will never go on strike. Apparently RLA is illegal or something of that affect, I guess…
followed by we will never go on strike. Apparently RLA is illegal or something of that affect, I guess…
03-01-2023, 12:51 PM
#1490
Can’t find crew pickup
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 2,090
I'm not saying 'you'... I am more pointing to the bigger group at large. If you look back the complaints about NB rotation makeup were loud and clear. Now all of a sudden, that doesn't seem so important. Again, time will tell how it plays out.
Your last paragraph is interesting. I don't think you should ever compare yourself to the vast majority of John Qs out there because you have a skill that you paid dearly to get whether or not it was thru the regionals or the military. You have earned your place in the top 5+%, and you should never feel guilty in any manner about that. I get your humility, and that's admirable, but don't let it cloud your judgement about YOUR value. Ed doesn't, I guarantee you. But it is not always about the money.
Your last paragraph is interesting. I don't think you should ever compare yourself to the vast majority of John Qs out there because you have a skill that you paid dearly to get whether or not it was thru the regionals or the military. You have earned your place in the top 5+%, and you should never feel guilty in any manner about that. I get your humility, and that's admirable, but don't let it cloud your judgement about YOUR value. Ed doesn't, I guarantee you. But it is not always about the money.
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